946: How 60 Million Americans Could Lose Their Jobs Due to New Regulations

Brian Nichols  0:03  
Well, hey there folks. Brian Nichols here on another fun filled episode of The Brian Nichols Show, we're gonna jump right into things today, and we're talking all things in the gig economy, contract work and more. Plus we're gonna be looking at Trump's new labor secretary, nominee, Lori Chavez deremer, I'm pretty sure it's I'm saying her name, right and why she would be a terrible pick for the labor secretary. And I can't do that conversation alone. So joining me today is victorious. Mr. Churchill from young voices, Victoria, welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. How you doing?

Speaker 1  0:37  
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. Great to be on with you. Great

Brian Nichols  0:41  
to have you on and I'm looking forward to digging into our conversation today. But before we get started, let's go ahead. Just set the stage. Victoria, you wrote an article over at Real Clear Politics. You are a young voices contributor. We just had our buddy William on the show. We were talking about Canadians trying to raise the age of eligibility for pension. So love what young voices is doing. But yeah, you wrote an article over at Real Clear Politics talking about the Trump labor secretary nominee, and then you why she would be a terrible pick, right? Let's just set the stage here why she is, you know, a leftist wet dream in terms of labor policy. So let's just kind of set the stage before we get there in terms of why this is a big issue. But first, Victoria, little bit about your background. Why is this an area you focus so much on the gig economy, and then we'll dig into the meat and potatoes.

Speaker 1  1:31  
Yeah. So like I said, Thank you so much for having me on so I'm victorious. That's our Churchill. I'm a political journalist and conservative commentator. I've held a number of different roles in the journalism industry, both going back to my time in college as a student activist on campus, kind of finding my voice there in the conservative and libertarian space, all the way up to now, today, I both have a full time role in journalism where I work for startup media outlet that's a pretty new position for me over at upward news. So they're an upstart media outlet. They actually started on Instagram, and now they've got a newsletter. So that's what I do in my day to day job. And then, like I said, young voices have been doing a commentary with them for, I guess, almost two years or over two years now. So love being a part of that program. And kind of as Brian, as you and I were talking backstage, young voices is really great for those of us that want to stay in and kind of develop some different levels of expertise and things that really give us opportunities to do that. So right now, this piece that ran in Real Clear Politics is a piece that I wrote for their social mobility fellowship. So it's really all about kind of, I mean, to me, at least, it's really all about pursuing the American dream and finding opportunities that are, you know, I think folks like you and I, we want to see, you know, the free market. We want to see government get out of the way. And the gig economy is something that I have found super beneficial in my career in a number of different ways. So, and, you know, I kind of bring this up in the piece as well, is like lots of people have a perception of what a gig economy worker is, whether that's, you know, an Uber driver or, you know, a door Dasher or something like that. And that is definitely one part of it, a big part of it that really gets talked about a lot in the news. But you also have people like, even like I bring up in the article, you know, doing really specialized work, even with, like, national security implications and things like that. So the folks that I brought up in the article, my good friends over at the independent Women's Forum. They actually did this profile on female truckers. And so this is kind of like the other side of it is that, you know, these people are dealing with, like, materials that are vital to America's national security and things like that. And then, you know, I kind of view myself, I guess, a little bit in the middle. So I've actually, so, you know, like said, with journalism, I actually first started writing and getting paid for my writing when I was a college student. So, you know, in that case, I was a contractor, and then I've worked for media outlets of all shapes and sizes. So primarily, you know, I worked at a one news outlet based here in Northern Virginia, where I live, where we had a few full time members of staff, but I'd say, you know, at you know, at least 30% if not even up to 50% of our content was from contractors. And you know, a lot of these were maybe people that had worked for other big name publications, but they just wanted to do something different with their lives. And so, you know, that was a good steady source of income for them. They wrote for that publication. And then I've also been an employee where we outsource a lot of our work, you know, again, in journalism, right? Like, maybe you write for publication that has a very narrow focus, and you want to do some things outside of that. So that's another case where I've seen it. And then again, so, so, like I said, I've kind of seen it from both sides. Both have been the kind of, the additional employer, the additional labor on a full time team, as well as being that full time team member that's got additional people, and then I've also started my own podcast recently, just right before the end of last year, kind of as I was in between jobs, I most recently last year, I was a campaign reporter for the New York Post. And so that ended with the election, and then I spent two or three months looking for my next opportunity. And so during that whole time, I was freelancing and participating in the. It's like the young voices, social mobility, fellowship, but I also launched my own sub stack and podcast to go along with that. And I I've actually tried starting my own podcast a couple of times, but I realized that there was some things that I love doing, kind of, like what we're doing right now, like having conversations, but when it comes to editing and things like that, that's not necessarily my skill set. And so I went out and, you know, I found somebody that has that skill set, and I brought them onto my team as a contractor. And so I've got a couple people that I work with, you know, one for scheduling social media posts, one for editing actual videos, one for some graphic design and, like, motion graphics work I'm getting into. And like, you know, even if I did want to do raw video editing, I could never do, like, fancy and nice graphic design stuff. And so, you know, that's a way that I use contractors in my own business. And so, like I said, I've really seen this, I think, from all sides, and then even outside of that. And I've actually written on this before, just as I was moving out to the greater Washington, DC area, it's definitely not cheap to live here. So I actually did do some Uber and DoorDash and things like that, just to afford to pay my rent for my first couple years, while I was waiting for my immediate career to kind of get to the place where it even is now. And so, yeah, this is something that, like I said, I've utilized, really, over the last decade and in many different ways in my life. And so I want this to to continue to exist, to prosper. And as I bring up in the article, there's already legislation that exists in California known as IP five, which really cut down the number of gig workers. But it also as as an expert that I point out in the piece over from the Mercator Center here in Northern Virginia, part of George Mason University. As Leah is her name. She's great on this issue, if anybody's looking for some hard facts to back up, maybe any work that they're doing on this topic. But her research actually found that not only did gig economy, workplace positions decrease, but overall workforce participation decreased as well. And like that is completely contrary to what people that are against this type of work think, you know, they think that these people, they don't necessarily want to opt into this work. They're doing work of full time employees, and so they're being what's called misclassification. And so there's another kind of in the weeds thing that I talk about in the piece, called the ABC test. And so basically, in California, if your work meets all of these categories, they class you as a full time employee whether you want to be one or you don't want to be one. You know, this is just like the hand of big government, just coming down and saying you are this whether you want it or not. And so this was then put into a piece of federal legislation about two years ago in the last Congress. Right now we're in the 100 and 19th. This was in the 100 and 18th Congress. In a bill called the pro act. And this is actually part of Kamala Harris's campaign platform. So this Lori Chavez Jeremy, she was one of three Republicans who supported this legislation. Now, as she kind of tried to massage it a little bit in her hearing, which I tuned in, I was actually there on the hill, on the ground listening to this hearing. And so kind of her reasoning for that was that she thought that this was something that the people of her district, which she used to represent in Oregon, wanted. So that was kind of her justification. She didn't really come out and say whether, you know, if she was a current member of Congress, you know, she basically saying, Well, I've been a legislator. I'm going to leave the legislate taking up to the current legislators. And basically my job in the executive branch would be different than previous legislative roles. So that was kind of her justification, which I'm not sure if she really means that. And, you know, I'm kind of actually, as a follow up to this piece, I'm hoping to come out with another one in the next week or so, saying, you know, whether other folks that that want to keep gig economy work, whether they buy it or not, or whether they think it's political talking points, but so that was kind of her justification, but right off the bat, that supported the pro act really made a lot of groups, Republican, conservative, Liberty minded want to oppose her nomination. And at least, kind of the way that I framed that piece was, these are the questions that we need to ask, because we need to get her on the record, and then if this shifts, then, you know, we'll raise any of them fingers bigger stink about it as well.

Brian Nichols  9:06  
So, so Victoria, let's this has been a great setting the stage, right? I actually want to go back even a little bit further, and not so much from the policy itself, but I want to, I want to set the stage to understand the argument, right? Because when you take a step back, it just feels like right, and maybe this is my priors coming into this conversation, it just feels like common sense to say, hey, I have a service that I can do over the internet. And somebody in name your favorite state here, I'm in Indiana, somebody over in Maryland or Florida, right? They want to hire me to do something. You should be able to do that, right? And that just seems, again, to me, like common sense. And yet, there are apparently a lot of folks you mentioned, 85 in California. We talk about our labor secretary here, who's just saying, my constituents like this. Why? Why? Why? Why is. There an argument against this idea. I think just to understand that to start would be very beneficial. Could you kind of set the stage there? And like, if you could right? Maybe, like, steel man, steel man, the argument from, from the left, or I don't want to call him the left, just the folks who are in favor of limiting contract work and limiting the freedom of choice, where you can work. I don't know what's, what's the actual argument there?

Speaker 1  10:24  
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of that is actually from labor unions. So these were some of the groups that came out to support Chavez deramers nomination. And as other publications, I think National Review is one that comes to mind, pointed out in their argument to oppose Chavez during where they were saying, you know, there's this labor union they've historically supported, not just maybe necessarily Democrats, but like radically leftist Democrats as well. And they're also favoring her. And so they really drew this very stark comparison about the kind of people that these groups typically support. And so the labor union argument is big. You know, obviously, they're powerful. They're across industries, whether that's, you know, blue collar industries, or even, and really quick

Brian Nichols  11:05  
Victoria to to those labor unions. What's their argument? Are they just saying that this, this, this destroys, like, price, like salaries. Like, what are they even saying, beyond saying they're the ones doing it, but like, what? What's their argument? Like, what? Deal are they standing on?

Speaker 1  11:23  
Yeah, I mean, again, they're saying basically this idea of misclassification. So they're saying these people are doing full time work. They should be entitled to benefits. But again, obviously that makes labor more expensive. As you and I know as free market people, free market thinkers, that if you add on, you know, you want to have health insurance and you want to have paid time off, and, you know, even you want to have things like paid family leave, right? Like, that makes the actual product or service much more expensive. Well, and

Brian Nichols  11:51  
what if I don't want that, right? Like, I just feel like you should be able to say, Yeah, I'm going to do work, and I'm going to knowingly say I'm good. I don't need these benefits today or tomorrow or in the next year. Like it just feels like there is a group of folks who are like, you know, I'm gonna push for this legislation because you, Mr. Gig worker, you just don't know better. You don't know what you need. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna force down your throat what you need. That's what it feels like. Am I off base?

Speaker 1  12:21  
No, I think you're completely right. Again, it's this hand of big government and their friends who, you know, I consider big labor and big government quite entrenched partners. But, you know, I think also, like we look at the history right, like things like labor unions did play critical roles in American politics, and, you know, advancing things like workplace rights. But that was way back in the day where I think you really only saw one kind of work, right? Like you think of factory work. That's kind of the first thing for me, for example, that comes to mind when you think of labor unions and picket lines and things like that. You think about factory work. And so that is a very, I think, closed minded idea of what work looks like. And so in the new economy, which a gig economy, is a major part of that, you have this understanding that, you know, not everybody wants to be in a physical workplace between the hours of nine and five. Or, you know, if your factory work you want to do, you know, around the clock shifts, right? And so you have three shifts based on various timings, and that was basically the only kind of work that was available for the majority of the country. But, you know, now, you know, I can say I'm going to wake up at six in the morning and, you know, I'm going to do these five different things on my own time before I clock in for my full time job. You know, in my day to day job, I am remote. So that was actually kind of as I was talking about, like I went through a time when I was looking for my next opportunity. And so that was actually something I was very conscious of. I want to have the opportunity to have that flexibility. And you know, particularly for women and mothers and people in those positions, for example, this is something that they want. And so actually, as I mentioned in the piece the independent women's forum, I think this is something that they focus on for that reason is because they actually find it oppressive to women when they are given these opportunities. And there's also stories and you know, data to back up that women, at least in this day and age, do tend to take advantage of these opportunities longer and more frequently. But, you know, like I said, we're not just or they don't advocate for these opportunities just for women, but I think this is part of their justification as well. And so, you know, obviously this whole idea of, like, right to work and things like that. So this was another thing that was brought up in the labor secretary's hearing, again, is that they want this one size fits all prescription and anything that is against that it really rubs them the wrong way. And so they get all this money right from their membership, if they are a labor union. And, you know, in states that are work, excuse me, a right to work state, they're right like they're compelling people to give them this money that then they use for political capital, which is obviously one of these argument. And when you look at the Labor picture and in a bigger place, and so that was kind of, again, the way that I framed this article is that, you know, I'm saying big labor is going to be in the room. Big business is going to be in the room. Small Business needs a voice that is equal, at least equal to what those groups will intrinsically come with that kind of capital, that kind of political power, and so you know myself, and there's another woman who I'm actually interviewing hopefully for my next piece, Kim Kevin. She's huge on this issue. She's been working on this issue for a number of years. She runs the website in sub stack, freelance busting. And so I think she was kind of saying some of these things that I was of like, these are the questions that we want asked, and because freelancers, like, don't, well, there are some freelancing unions, which, to me, again, like, kind of rubs me a little bit the wrong way, because I think freelancing, you want to be anti union. So there actually are a couple of freelancing unions, but for the most part, as an independent business owner as an independent contractor. You don't have a lobbyist in the room. You don't have somebody behind in those closed door meetings. And so those of us that participate in this economy, we know, you know, the power of the internet. We know the power of getting our own voices out there, because oftentimes that's how we make a living. And so to me, that was, you know, again, intrinsically, like very aligned with the core of the issue, was also spreading that message this way, because there is no other way. But we also have found in the past that it's equally as, if not even more powerful than those other voices that do have those ballots and advantages just intrinsically built in. And again, these are systems, a lot of the times that have been entrenched for for decades. And so if you're doing something and you're doing something fresh, you have to get creative.

Brian Nichols  16:48  
It just, and again, this is my political priors, maybe, or just, I don't know, like my brain has trouble understanding how anybody outside of the the bureaucratic structures of big labor or big business would be against this. And I'm just like, I'm thinking to just people I talk to in everyday life, like, just no politics, right? And and from, from folks who I know are self identified Democrats to Republicans to libertarians to progressives, like, when you talk about this, it just feels like that they get it, like, why this whole like, anti gig economy is bad? Like, when you lay it out as black and white, of like, hey, I want to go work for this person, and I can't, because there is an entity, in this case, a federal bureaucracy, that's trying to stop me from doing that and and therefore I can't earn money to pay for groceries or pay for my gas or pay for my rent, right? And now I'm in a worse spot than I would have been otherwise. Like, I just, I I'm having trouble. There's nothing about you. It just like, it's the it's the mentality of making the sale on the side of the unions of big business. I just, I don't see how they feel that they have like the the moral positive side of the argument. I just, there's something missing here. And I guess, you know, Victoria, this goes to why there has been such a change across the country over the past year, and that is that it seems like more and more folks are starting to speak out and say, No, this is crazy. Like, look at our federal bureaucracy. Doge is going in and and with, with the proverbial chain saw, like, cutting down all of these different barriers right, starting to expose where the gravy train has been going. And I guess, let me ask it very black and white, is this just a follow the money conversation, right? Like, just look to see where the dollars are going. They're going to the big unions, they're going to the lobbying organizations, they're going to big business. Like, is, is that it is that as black and white as possibly, possibly be? Is just follow the money.

Speaker 1  19:01  
I mean, as a journalist, in my day job, a lot of the times, the answer is, follow the money. But I also think, again, it's it. Also part of it, I think, comes down to mindset, right? Like people that are even a generation older than you and I are, they come from an age where you could, you know, sit in the same company for 40 years, and you could work those 40 hours a week, and you wouldn't have any problems you could have, you know, a three bedroom house and two and a half kids and two new cars and like, I also think that's part of it, is that for a lot of times, like people's and I mean, especially out here in DC, right, like we're really tied our identities are really tied to our jobs. But I think historically, it's been even more so. And so when you talk about that in that context, like the fact that somebody would even want other work or outside work, I think is, is quite new, just like from the time frame of history. And so I think that's that's why, like, a lot of these kind of, as I was talking about, like, these entrenched systems exist because people haven't realized that. Again, like not everybody wants. To go sit in an office nine to five. Not everybody wants to go work in an assembly line. Excuse me, from nine to five. And so this idea that, like, you want, or, I mean, like, for example, I think back to college, right? Like, if you wanted to get an on campus job, you could only work at 20 hours a week. And so the illusion that the college was creating for themselves, in my view, was that if you work 20 hours a week, then you have a lot of time to focus on your studies, and then you'll be a good student, and you'll be so well rounded, and you'll be tied in your campus community, because this is how you contribute to campus, as you have your on campus job, right? But what we saw, you know, I have a lot of close personal friends that then had that campus job, and then they would also go and find another one or even two or sometimes three jobs in the community because they wanted to work more than that 20 hours and but again, like the college was saying, well, we can't give you more than 20 hours regardless of what you want, right? You might need more money. You might want. You know, you might have more time. You know, it doesn't matter if you're taking 12 credit hours or 18 a semester. This is what we're prescribing you, this is the R prescription for your life. And then outside of that, people had to go and make do, right? And so I think that is a very clear parallel with the real world, that, again, traditionally, you think your 40 hours a week of a job is going to take care of your life. And I mean, again, just kind of the hard reality is for a lot of people, it doesn't, or, you know, the other element of it, like, which is why I still love freelance work and independent contracting work and gig work is that, you know, if you're not feeling satisfied in your day to day job, which isn't the case for me now, but has been in the past, you can also use this work to, you know, grow your portfolio, or to take on additional things, gain additional skills, which again, makes you, you know, more employable in the future, and it allows you to pursue further opportunities. But if you're the company, you don't want your employees doing that, right? And so again, this is, I think, where you see the system is built up in a way to, you know, keep people in the status quo, but as I talked about in the beginning, right? Like, if you want to do things on your own terms, live your own life, pursue your American dream, which is, again, kind of a sub context for everything that I do, is because I am a first generation American, and I just love having the freedoms that we have here in this country. And so, you know, I think gig work and the gig economy and upskilling, and, you know, making more money to achieve higher goals that you might have for yourself that's all new, right? Like, even you know, regardless of how you feel about him, right? Like a lot of people know, Dave Ramsey, right? And he says, pay off your mortgage as fast as you can. You know that that, like, people aren't used to doing that, because they have, you know, their 40 year career, and for 30 years of that, they'll pay off their mortgage. And so this whole idea that, like you can have freedom as soon as you pay off your mortgage, right? Like Dave rub a lot of people the wrong way, because that's just not how people think traditionally. And so just cases like that, again, that is something that is outside of what's traditionally accepted. And so, you know, on my show, like there's a reason why I called it freedom shots, is because it's these ideas that are just outside of the mainstream, whether that's politically or, you know, even economically and things like that. Is like this pursuit of freedom is kind of the overall theme of the show. And so I bring in various guests to talk about what that looks like in their lives. But, you know, again, I think at the core that's really what it comes down to. It's saying, I'm not gonna accept what this one size fits all prescription that's given to me, either by, like I said, by company, or by the government, or even, like a lot of the times, by society as a whole, I don't, I don't like any of that, and I'm going to go and chart my own path. And so for me, gig work, independent, contracting, freelancing, whatever you want to call it. For me, it's a means to that different end from what everybody else wants to do.

Brian Nichols  23:38  
So we're getting towards the town of the show, Victoria. And I'll start my final thoughts with this. Everybody who's listened to the show for at least a few episodes should know I'm a sales executive, right? So at the the end of the day, I always like to reframe things in a sales mindset. And as you're outlining this, you mentioned like the status quo. And actually, we were talking to William about that the pensions there in Canada. Yes, uh, Canada. Yes, earlier behind the curtain. It was earlier today, but in podcast world, it was last week. Magic of camera. But no with that, I was talking about the status quo folks, and I call them the status quo ations. I just made that up. But like when I go into a sales environment, right? And I'm talking to a prospect. If I ever hear the the, well, this is how we've always done things. I'm just like, good grief that that is one of the worst things I can ever hear, right? Because if you go back to the definition of insanity, it's doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result, right? And if I just, if we remove ourselves from our political priors. We kind of zoom out right, and we get that like 30,000 foot overview that feels like what this conversation is. And you mentioned, you know, there's folks who they're there, their knee jerk reaction to Dave Ramsey telling them to pay off your mortgage so you can live financially free is, no, I don't want to live financially free. I want. Had my 30 year mortgage at my fixed interest rate of 7.5% like, what? No, why are you? Why are you regurgitating the status quo and and to the average person for who's listening to today's episode, and maybe they're very much on board with the status quo, and they hear Victoria talking about promoting gig work and contract work and saying this is bonkers, like, like, just take a step back and ask yourself, Is it me? Because when when you look at the younger generations and Victoria, I think is very safe to say, you and I are part of those younger generations. We're, we're very much in this, like this gig world, like Gen Z and now Gen alpha, they live in this world like a majority of their time is spent online, doing stuff. And if you're a tiktoker, right? And you have your Tiktok store, or you're, you're a graphic design artist, like you mentioned, or, you know, a video editor, you want to do a fiver work, right? Fiver or Upwork, like all these different organizations that exist, you can, and you can work from anywhere, and you can work with anybody at any time, because it's your work. It's you. You are the labor, and you don't need to have a labor union of other graphic design artists who are freelancers, even though you mentioned that there are some who exist, which still blows my mind. But I guess, you know, I just, I look at this from a good ideas don't require force, right? So let's just continue leading. By the way, if you want to get the hat, good ideas don't require force. Head to Brian Nichols show.com forward, slash shop. But like the ideas of liberty, we don't need to force feed them down people's throats when, when your average person realizes the benefits, the value of a true free market, privatized solution, and they're able to experience benefits for themselves. It becomes inherent right. I don't have to convince you that the free market approach or the freelance approach, or the contractor approach or the gig economy approach is better than another approach. It's that I know Mr. Or Mrs. Consumer or worker or whoever you may be, that you are seeing the inherent value yourself, therefore you already know the value. You already know the benefits. So it's now a matter of just connecting the dots, right? I need to help you understand that where you are today getting the value of this, this fiver work, or this, this up work, or this just contract work that is a result of what we're talking about here today, and that right there, I think, speaks to where we're gonna win, because so many folks in the younger generations are already experiencing that for themselves. Now it's on us to help tie the dots together. So that's my final thoughts for today, Victoria, go ahead, bring us home and give us a call to action. New podcast, where can folks? Go ahead, follow the show. Support you, obviously. And then we want to see some more bangers come out here, like you have over on Real Clear Politics. So where can they go ahead, check out your articles as they get released. Yeah,

Speaker 1  27:51  
so best way to keep touch with me personally is on x. It's going to be snit to underscore churches. It's kind of a combination of my mid name and my new married last name, short, and so snits, underscore church Yes, and I t s, underscore C, H, u, r, c, h, y, or on Instagram, Victoria Snitzer, Churchill, just my full name with no spaces. And then, you know, kind of as a call to action, you know, I think you bring up a really good point, right? Like these status quo tarians, I feel like I want that on a t shirt. So if you add that to the store, let me know. But like, if you like the status quo, you can keep it, just don't prescribe that to me. I think that's the most like Liberty argument at its core is saying, you know, just make sure it's available for me. You don't have to take part in it. You can be okay doing what you've always done, but make sure that my opportunity, like, if I don't like what you've always done, I want to be able to go do something different. And so I think that's really what this argument boils down to at its core. And then, yeah, also with young voices, they've got my page on there, on their talent page, so you know, that's where all of my work for them will be, both media hits like this one, as well as articles. And yeah, we'll be doing a follow up this. Lori Chavez, Jeremy, stuff is fresh. They just had her hearing. They'll be having a vote coming up for her, both to vote or out of committee and then whether to confirm or deny. You know, my prediction is that she will be the next labor secretary. But that doesn't mean that we give up our fight, you know, like she's basically indicated that despite her congressional record, which is kind of what I brought up in this piece that we talked about today, that, you know, she was doing that to represent the people that she represented, but if she is in office as the next US Secretary of Labor, she'll be following guidance from the President and the White House, etc. And again, you know, if you speak out, if you are in places like Real Clear Politics, they'll see that, right? They'll come up. You know, that's where, you know, like I mentioned, I live in DC, like me, and my me and my crazy people like me that live out here in this crazy place of Washington, DC. We read that stuff, right, and so that's a great way to point out to the power players what your concerns are and make sure that they're heard. So, you know, I think, like said, regardless. List of her status as the next Secretary of Labor. We've brought up these issues, and those of us that care about these issues, we're going to keep pushing to make sure and so kind of in particular, again, very, very niche minutia thing. But in that article, there's basically a really bad policy, and it's a policy. It's not a law, because it was something made by the Biden admin executive branch called executive rule making, but it's bad, and we want the Trump administration to get rid of it, basically either way. So, you know, on things like that. Again, these are these niche things that only, like, really wonky DC people care about, but it's something that affects, you know, as I bring up in the in the article, it's 60 million people participate in gig work, so we're huge, and we just need to make sure that we're loud and, you know, I'm optimistic either way, but I'm gonna keep using my voice, and I encourage other people to keep using their own,

Brian Nichols  30:47  
keep using your voice, keep using your young voice. I'm just kidding. I had to try to make a transition there to support young voices. Yeah, folks, young voices, they're doing amazing work, helping bring I would say, you know, a lot of the up and coming thinkers and doers here in our political world, in the world of public policy, to the forefront. And I have been a long time supporter of young voices. My good buddy there, Caleb Frans he's been doing some amazing work over at young voices, helping guide folks through the program. Hey, by the way, I got to be a mentor back in the day for young voices. I did that for about two years, so that was fun. As up and coming folks were going through the movement. And you know what I said to Nicholas, who is the PR guy here for young voices? I was like, Hey, open door policy. I want to get more young voices folks on the show. Because not only are you guys talking about issues that really matter, but you're doing so in a way that speaks to the generations that need to hear it. Because we just saw, by the way, I'll end with this. We just saw in this past election, Gen Z do something remarkable, and that is cut the point differential of when they were voting for a Democrat versus a Republican by like, I think it's like 20 something points. It might have been even more the fact that the younger generations are starting to say, yeah, no, this old way of doing things doesn't work. That gives me hope, and seeing folks like young voices out there actually talking to that younger generation love it. So with that being said, Victoria, thank you so much for joining the show, and thank you for all the work you're doing raising awareness to yes, this very real issue that impacts what over a fourth of Americans. Yeah, that's a big deal, so let's go ahead and continue talking about it. So with that being said, please go ahead support Victoria. Go check out her article over at Real Clear Politics. Link in the show notes. And with that yes, please go ahead and support young voices. You can find yours truly over on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, wherever it is. You consume your social media content at B Nichols liberty for the podcast, you can find it on all your favorite podcasting platforms, Apple podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, music or if you're a video type of person, head over to YouTube, Rumble, Facebook x we are uploading the video show in its entirety over on those platforms, all I ask is you hit that subscribe button and head down below and leave us a comment that helps the algos realize that people are watching and they're sharing and they're talking about What's happening. So if you find yourself in the status quotarian camp and you're like, but I like, I like the labor unions dictating what I can do for my job. Okay, go ahead make that argument, and of course, be prepared to have a nice, respectful conversation and debate with folks in the comments who will say you're wrong. I would probably be one of them with that being said, Brian Nichols, signing off. You're on The Brian Nichols Show for victorious Mr. Church Hill. We'll see you next time bye.

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