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Brian Nichols  0:03  
All right. And with that, returning to the Brian Nichols show from the wellness company CEO Peter galuli, welcome back to the show. How you been Hey,

Peter Gillooly  0:12  
Brian, thanks for having me back. I've been great enjoying the summer. You've been

Brian Nichols  0:16  
great, but I'm sure you've been busy. I mean, we're getting ready for, uh, what? Q3, q4, of a bunch of exciting uncertainty,

Peter Gillooly  0:26  
yeah, to say the least. I mean, we, I think we all knew 2024, would be a little bit of a roller coaster of a year, but I don't think any of us thought that we would see quite what we've seen between wars and pandemics and assassination attempts. I mean, we're barely, just over halfway through, and that was just the

Brian Nichols  0:44  
summer. So yeah, little little bits been on the the radar here. But Peter, let's, let's do the audience a favor. Since the last time you were here on the show, we've seen the audience numbers grow leaps and bounds. So there's a lot of folks in our audience who maybe aren't super familiar with the wellness company. So before we dig into our topic of conversation to today, do us a favor. Reintroduce the wellness company. Who is the wellness company? Why do you guys exist and all that therein? Peter, the floor is yours.

Peter Gillooly  1:12  
Great. Thanks for the opportunity. So if you've never heard the wellness company, welcome so we are the fastest growing telemedicine Company in the nation. We were founded just over two years ago with Dr Peter McCullough, who many of the audience might know. We were founded originally to be a safe harbor for all these doctors that were disenfranchised during covid So so many doctors like Dr McCullough lost their livelihoods because they tried to speak up for scientific fact and medical truth, and it's kind of a strange reality to cope with Brian, but that's just what happened to the most honest members of our medical establishment over the past five years. So we found the wellness company to practice health and medicine as it's meant to be practiced that puts the patients first. We offer Doctor design supplements that offer some pretty unique benefits that you're not going to find with your kind of typical Chinese craft that Amazon sells and we offer prescription medical emergency kits that we prescribe prophylactically to customers that have life saving medications like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, the things that they you know, withheld from us during the pandemic because they knew it would have been safe and effective. How

Brian Nichols  2:24  
dare you give your patients horse dewormer, Peter, what are you doing?

Peter Gillooly  2:29  
The horror,

Brian Nichols  2:29  
the horror indeed. And by the way, I just want to go back to a statement you said there the way that medicine is supposed to be practiced. And this is where, man Peter, like a lot of my audience, they I mean, yes, we are political in nature here, but a lot of the folks my audience are very much politically either agnostic or homeless. And the recurring theme I see whenever I do my audience surveys is that for that politically homeless agnostic individual, they're very much in a situation, looking at the world, and they're saying, whatever is happening, something's broken, stuff ain't working the way it's supposed to. And for a lot of folks, Peter, this is the moment for them where they're to use the the matrix analogy, right? They've taken the red pill. They're waking up. They're seeing things for the first time that they cannot unsee. And to those folks, they say, Okay, I acknowledge the elephant in the room. The system is broken, but now what? I've lost my trust. I've lost my health care. I've lost my economics, my finances, everything seems to be broken. Where do I turn to folks who I can trust. Now, there's a reason you guys are a sponsor here for the Brian Nichols show, but I would just love if you could just paint that picture in terms of you talked about how healthcare is supposed to be. How did we get to a point, Peter, where it took you guys coming to to, you know, fruition, back during the insanity of covid to literally just being the entity out there who's doing the healthcare the way it's supposed to be done. How did we get to a point where our government healthcare, or government backed healthcare systems, have just dropped the ball so so badly? Yeah,

Peter Gillooly  4:18  
it's a great question, Brian. And I'll first preface this by saying, you know, I can definitely relate to everything that you just said about your audience. I mean, the things that I thought were conspiracies 10 years ago, I've now more or less turned out to be true. And even if you told me five years ago that we would be doing what we're doing now at the wellness company, I would have said, there's not a market for that. Like, why does anyone need that. But like lo and behold, here we are. And I think it comes down to the fact that there's been this great perversion and how medicine has been practiced. And it really starts with that doctor patient relationship that used to be sacred. It used to be none of anybody else's business between what a patient and a doctor do. It's there. Agreement to come up with the best course of treatment for their condition, and that was that. But kind of over the last few decades, we've seen so many third party influences start interfering and modifying that patient doctor relationship, be it hospitals, medical schools, insurance companies, big pharma, the government, they all have their hand in the pie here, and it's led to some very, very bad health outcomes to a lot of Americans. It starts at med school. So first of all, at med school, the training that doctors get is a little bit odd, if you think about it. I mean, take something like vaccines, which has been in the headlines now, basically non stop for the past five years. Med School is lucky if they spend one full day on the topic of vaccines with medical students. You know, keep in mind about the the amount, the amount of focus that we give on vaccines. I'm just

Brian Nichols  5:55  
gonna say we just spent four years going through if you don't get vaccinated, you're the worst person in the world, they take one day of courses. Holy hell,

Peter Gillooly  6:02  
it's pretty it's pretty much it right? And I mean, so they spend their time learning about types of medicine that just really aren't relevant or germane to the experiences of many Americans. They graduate med school Brian, and they effectively have 500 plus $1,000 of debt. And it's not like a mortgage, where you can sell your house and get out the debt if you need to. This is this is debt that needs to be paid off, right? So what do they do? They go work for a hospital, and they have to do what the hospital says, or they don't get paid. There's no other option here. So I don't want to say they're enslaved, but in a way, like they're operating now within a system where they've lost a great deal of their autonomy to do what's best for the patients. So suddenly they're working for a hospital. The hospital gets paid by the insurance companies. The insurance companies then need to assign a billing code to every single patient encounter to standardized care. So that's why you hear in hospitals, they talk about billing codes and codes all the time. Code, code, code, it's all about assigning the most profitable insurance reimbursement to a specific condition, and that condition, or the insurance code, often misses a lot of the nuances Brian, a lot of the subtle things that can modify a treatment plan because they don't fit neatly within one code or another. But you're assigned a code that you're then billed out those codes are, of course, determined by big pharma. They're determined by the hospitals, which assign specific values to how much time a doctor can spend with a patient, right? I mean, you're lucky if you talk to a doctor for more than five minutes today in any encounter, and that's because they try to, they try to give most of the background information collecting, where really, you get the most context about a condition off to a lower level practitioner, like an RN or something, and you end up, you know, having people that are relying on their insurance to pay for their medical bills. And keep in mind, insurance one of the greatest scams ever foisted on to Americans, effectively, your paycheck is being garnished every single month. You know, you think it's free, you think your doctor appearances are free, but they're not. You're paying 1000s and 1000s a year for maybe a 10 minute physical, and that's all that's really covered. You're going to pay usually, an extraordinarily high deductible otherwise, and you're saddled with a situation where, because insurance covers every single condition under the sun, they charge outrageous amounts. It'd be like Brian, if your car insurance covered an oil change or scratch on the door, the prices would be astronomical, right? Because you would be billing everything through insurance all the time, when, in reality, you save a lot of money by keeping things outside of insurance. So those are just some of the perversions that we've seen warping how medicine is practiced and how it's priced in America. And don't get me started on Big Pharma and the kind of treadmill of chronic prescriptions they put you on. But that's a whole other topic that I think a lot of Americans can also relate

Brian Nichols  8:56  
to. Yeah, well, and let's just, I mean, we talk about, we try to, you know, teach folks how to do sales here. And one of the things we talk about is unselling, right? So, like Peter, help on sell to me, how do we get to where we are today? Like what you just outlined, sounds like common sense, not not the current solution, but the way we should be going. So I guess, help me unsell. How did we get to where we are today? Because if, if we can all just sit here and acknowledge that this system is inherently broken, that I am more than a number, that my audience is more than a number when they go to their doctor's office, I am more than a billing code. And with that, there's more to the the healthcare industry than just insurance rates. So like, how did we get here? And how are so and, by the way, I guess the better question not just, how do we got here? Why are so many people? Just like, yeah, it's the best we can do,

Peter Gillooly  9:53  
people. And I think the thing is, people take Brian, the current state of. Health insurance as as the doctrine like they don't know that there's another alternative because they've not been presented with one. Yet, these same people, I'm sure you know most of the audience can relate to this, will also agree that the the government is not what you should be relying on for your well being, right? I mean, what's the, what are the, I think Reagan said one of the scariest things you'll ever hear is like, I'm from the government here to help. That's right, yeah. Well, that's that. That is health care in a nutshell, right? And I think if Americans are entrusting a series of third parties who ultimately, Brian, don't care about their health or well being for their future, they're going to be left in a place where they're going to be ultimately disappointed. I mean, we saw that for hundreds of millions of Americans during the pandemic, where they were betrayed or lied to or left behind or abandoned by a healthcare system that supposedly was going to put their interest first right. So I think it's kind of a wake up call to all Americans, if you weren't a prepper before, maybe you should start thinking about becoming one now, even in some small ways, and start taking, you know, personal responsibility for your medical decisions, because at this point, who can you trust? Right? It's certainly not the institutions. They've already proven what they're in for, and that's just turning you into dollars.

Brian Nichols  11:19  
Why aren't there more companies out there, like the wellness company, who are identifying a very real problem in the healthcare industry. And I just gonna say it, Peter, you guys wouldn't be in business if there wasn't a way to make some money, right? So you must be seeing some revenue coming in, some profit coming in, that's allowing you guys to do what you're doing, but where's everybody else? What is it? It's just a matter of it's easier to get the the tried and true, I guess, method in place, if you're in the healthcare profession, that going your route actually requires, I don't know, a little entrepreneurial, entrepreneurial. Know How?

Peter Gillooly  12:04  
Yeah, it's two things. Number one, it's that, if there's one thing that all the government programs and big pharmacy Big Pharma programs make easy, it's plugging into their system, right? So that's why you see even the smaller, independent practices, they accept Medicare. They do all this stuff because it's it's a easy, more guaranteed stream of income. On the other hand, one of the big issues that we've seen time and time again is that there's just a very high cost of entry. So it, we operate a 50 state telemedicine practice. It take a long, long time to get all the registrations and all the filings and all the paperworks and all the lawyer fees together in order to get that practice up and running. But now that we have it, it allows us to practice medicine freely as we see fit, because we built it ourselves. We didn't plug into all of these third party payers that ultimately cause the problems.

Brian Nichols  13:05  
Wow. Okay, so it there's a lot there behind the scenes, I guess that goes into building something like the wellness company. So then the next question, Peter inevitably, is, let's say there's doctors and nurses who listen to this show. I know there is, but let's just say they're listening today, and they're saying, You know what, Peter, I'm pretty tired of working at my ABC institutional hospital name here. Um, I really want to do medicine the right way. So like, what? What is a course of action from the healthcare, precise, uh, provider side of things, because we see from the patient side of things like, Okay, call upon this company, or call folks in this world. But if you're a healthcare provider, I'm sure that there's a lot of angst. I mean, you go through, you get your certifications, your licenses, all that fun stuff. Do those all carry over. What's the cost of, you know, doing business, the barrier to entries beyond the stuff you outlined here today.

Peter Gillooly  14:02  
Yeah, I think from a healthcare provider standpoint, it definitely requires a leap of faith. And like I said, for a lot of medical you know, doctors, I think there is a, there definitely is a preconception by the public that these people are raking the dough in reality, it takes, it takes doctors, I'm gonna say, between 15 and 25 years on average, to be out of debt and earning at kind of like more senior rates. Well, that's it. But, you know, keep in mind like you're not, you're not even starting practicing as a doctor. So you're in your 30s, right? So like, you know you're not the doctor. The sweet spot for Doctor earnings isn't going to happen until you're probably close to 50,

Brian Nichols  14:44  
quarter century later. Then you might see some money. We'll see right but, but that's

Peter Gillooly  14:49  
how the system has been architect over the past few years, because it really wants doctors to be reliant on these institutions, because that's how these institutions ultimately get money. So it's all kind of. Uh, built into built into itself, to reinforce the outcomes that we're seeing now and today. If you're a consumer of healthcare services, which we all are, it pays for you to be more prepared. And I think one of the most important things that people need to recognize in that the medical establishment does not preached like it should, because honestly, it's not the most profitable is if you want to stay healthy. Brian, one of the best things to do is to practice early intervention at first sign of illness. Now they don't talk about this in hospitals. I mean, we usually, you know, you and I, I'm sure you've probably done this yourself too. It's like you're not feeling so great, you know, you decide, hey, I'm just going to try to ride it out. I go to work tomorrow, right? I'm going to suck it up.

Brian Nichols  15:47  
I thought you were going to say you went to WebMD and you found out you have toe cancer or something, because that's definitely

Peter Gillooly  15:55  
happened, not, not quite. But the big issues that we see is that, you know, if you want to avoid a hospital visit and serious medical bills, oftentimes the best thing you can do is to address sickness at the very first sniffle, right? That's when you feel that throat tickle. Is to have medications on hand to be able to attack head on on day one, it's that first 24 to 48 hours, which really are determinant of the rest of the course of the disease, whether it's going to be severe or not, and if you're not addressing it early, you're going to be in a much more sorry state. We've all had those weeks where we got the flu and we've been, you know, lied low, pretty, pretty badly, right? But if you had addressed it in those first couple hours, there probably would have been a much different outcome. So the medical establishment, they're not incentivized to tell you this or help you with tools that you could use to practice this, because they make their money when you come in the hospital, right? I mean, they want, they want to keep those beds full so, you know, at the wellness company, that's really one of the things that we preach is that, look, we want to give you the medications on hand. It's a God given right to have things like ivermectin and amoxicillin and Z pack in your medicine cabinet, just like you have Tylenol. It's so important. I mean, that's gonna not only potentially save your life, but it's at least gonna save you a big hospital visit sooner or later, and that's gonna more than pay for itself, no matter what income level you're on. So I think it's really important that Americans start kind of waking up and saying, huh, maybe I don't need to be paying these outrageous insurance premiums. Maybe there's ways I can just insure myself against, you know, the catastrophic, you know, car crash type incident, and I can be more assertive and in control of my day to day health and disease. Because, look, it's not a matter of if it's when you get sick, right? And we want to prepare you for that time so you're ready.

Brian Nichols  17:46  
So one thing you mentioned here, I want to bring this back up, and it's going to hurt some folks hearing this, but we kind of go into the understanding of health care when we're kids and we grow up that this idea when you go to the doctor. The doctors are the people who care about your health. They care about you, Peter, they care about me. They want to make sure I'm better. And yet, what we've heard today, and I think what we've all experienced in our lives, is that that's a great story we tell each other, but doctors, nurses, health care professionals, just like, I don't know anybody else in the world, are, they're, they're reacting to incentive structures, right? So if they see the incentive structure to say, oh, you know, wait in a few days before Peter gets sick, then he comes in, I'm going to make more money versus Peter. Just do take, take the Z pack. You'll be fine. Like, call over the phone, yeah, you're fine, don't you have to worry about coming in. That's money that that doctor is never going to see. So that that's step one I just want to call out is that, like, incentive structures are crucial here. But the other part that you mentioned, Peter, and I just want to emphasize this as well, is that this requires a complete reprogramming of how we approach healthcare, and this has been the knee jerk reaction for every single person, is that I don't go see a doctor until I'm sick, until the sniffles hit, until the aches and pains start, versus being proactive, paying attention and, yes, starting to engage in those conversations before the fever hits, before the chills attack, like we have to just completely redo the way that we talk about healthcare, and frankly, the way we teach our kids about healthcare. Because when you're a kid, that's what you're taught. You go to the doctor when you're sick, not you go to the doctor before you're sick. So it just, it's a complete reprogramming of the way we approach healthcare. Brian, you're

Peter Gillooly  19:50  
absolutely right. Incentives matter, and I think there's, there's two different things that people need to be factoring in when they're thinking about healthcare decisions and advice from doctors. Yes, there are perverse incentive structures where doctors are compensated by big pharma and ways of bonuses for prescribing certain drugs or giving vaccines. I mean, the childhood vaccine schedule is a great example that you know primary care physicians and pediatricians, they earn bonuses if they complete the childhood vaccine schedule on time. That's a well established, documented fact, and we need to ask ourselves, why? Why is that something that? Why is that something they're paid out to do?

Brian Nichols  20:29  
I mean, Peter, at the end of the day, they're they're being comped, just like I comp my sales team, like what? They're doctors. They're not supposed to be sales people, but this is how we're treating them, or they're being treated.

Peter Gillooly  20:42  
Yeah, I, I completely agree. And you know, you that's why there's only two countries in the world, Brian, United States and New Zealand, of all places, that allow pharmaceuticals to be advertised on TV. And that's what's wrong with the incentive structure with medicine today. But you know, the other thing that people need to, need to really understand is, you know, not all doctors are evil, that practicing doctors, but many are mistaken. And I think one of the, one of the things that people need to know is that, when it comes to pharmaceuticals and drugs, there is so much data that's put on these things, and it's, it's too much information, in fact, for most doctors to be able to absorb and put into practice, so they rely on the Cliff Notes, right? This usually results in instances where doctors are recommending drugs based on scientific fact, but not the full scientific facts. And the example I'll give you is this. So a good friend of mine, cancer survivor, she was looking at being prescribed this, this fancy drug that was going to help her during her recovery period. She foregone chemo. The doctor had told her, Look, if you take this drug, it has the following side effects. It's going to be, it's going to be hard, but you have a 33% chance of you have a 33% improvement in your chances of survival in the next five years. I mean, great. Like you're sitting there, you're probably afraid, you're in distress. That sounds maybe that's a trade off that you like to make. Who doesn't like being alive, right? Well, the question that she asked, Well, wait a minute, Doc, like, What are my chances of dying in the next five years? The answer was actually 3% so basically, she was going from a 97% chance survival, of surviving to a 98% chance of surviving with all these side effects with this drug that's expensive and costly. So most doctors are not looking at the difference between absolute and relative risk, which is what I just described to you. And most people, when they're making medical decisions like this, they're not thinking about these ancillary questions that they need to ask, because they're not taught to ask them. And doctors oftentimes aren't thinking about them either, and it's not really the doctor's fault, per se, it's just that, you know, the doctors, they're processing a lot of information, they're trying to give you a recommendation based on some some data. But we really need to be mindful that, you know, there's a big difference with absolute relative risk. It's very confusing for patients, especially when you're in distress, which, let's be honest, when you're making medical decisions, a lot of the times you are in distress, you feel like crap. You're under the gun to make a choice, right? And that's that's when you really can't afford to choose wrong. So I think just having a plan and doing your research and knowing about these types of questions ahead of time could be a lifesaver, and a lot of Americans are just not trained or taught to think this way.

Brian Nichols  23:47  
Peter, we're going towards the tail end of the conversation, and this actually goes a nice piggyback to where I wanted to go with this last question, because a lot of people, they don't really pay attention to this stuff until it impacts them directly, or it's election season. So here we are recording summer of 2024. Election season is right upon us. Now, granted, we do have a new candidate, so that might change a little bit of this here. But with that being said, you look at healthcare policy very little in terms of an actual discussion about healthcare policy. At least when Trump was running for election back in 2016 it was like, you know, he's gonna get rid of Obamacare and replace it with Trumpcare, I guess. And that never happened. But like, at least there was a conversation about what was going to happen and proposals. I'm not really hearing anything right now. Am I missing something? Is there stuff like at a secret healthcare Slack channel, you guys are all sharing this information with what's going on here with Trump Harris, policy positions, healthcare hit us with it. Yeah,

Peter Gillooly  24:47  
there's no secret Slack channel on this one. I mean,

Brian Nichols  24:51  
there's inside access to that, but okay, I'll

Peter Gillooly  24:56  
keep buyout for it, Brian, but I think there's been an absolute vacuum of. Of information on healthcare policy for the 2024 election by both candidates. The most we've been able to get out of either side is on the Democrats wanting to continue to bolster and reinforce Obamacare, which you know objectively, if you look at the price trends over the past 10 years for Obamacare, it's been an abject failure. I mean, it has not made healthcare cheaper for anybody in the United States. If anything, it's just encouraged more high cost health plans onto people and then put them in the health care system that I've been describing for the past few minutes. Trump has articulated that he wants to relook at drug prices. I think that was one of his big themes for his last campaign. I do think there's some credence there. We have seen a kind of wild degree of inflation when it comes to drug prices in Americas. And I know we've had wild inflation to begin with, but like to an excessive degree with drug prices compared with, you know, groceries, so getting some rational price control on things like insulin and critical life saving medications, I think, is going to be important first step. It's going to necessarily limit all these third parties who are each getting their B quite along the way of these drugs. But better than nothing.

Brian Nichols  26:19  
Peter galooly, CEO of the wellness company. Today's episode is not brought to us by Pfizer. Sorry about that. Check will not be in the mail, um, but maybe it's coming to Slack channel. I don't know. We'll see, uh, Peter, if we had to go ahead and put a nice bow on today's conversation, I would love it, if you would be so willing to do so. Because, I mean, granted, we talked a lot of stuff today in terms of incentive structures, in terms of redoing the way we teach about healthcare and when does be seen, and also talking about a lot of like policy stuff behind the scenes that we're not really privy to. But let's just paint the picture for folks of what to expect. And you mentioned the five year prognosis for your friend there, let's get the five year prognosis for the healthcare industry. Where do you see healthcare in five years? And I mean, let's just try to keep it agnostic of who wins in 2024 but let's just say five years from today. So Peter, we're sitting down August of 2029 where are we from a healthcare perspective, and how do we get there?

Peter Gillooly  27:16  
Yeah, I honestly, I think the healthcare industry is gonna become pretty bifurcated, and what's going to happen is there will be another pandemic. I think you can all rest assured on that now, whether that's bird flu Brian or some other animal based disease, you know, pick pick your pick your name. I mean, we've lived through monkeypox and swine flu and bird flu and covid or bat flu, whatever you want to call it, lab grown flus for all we know. But look, it's been very well established that, you know, even the World Economic Forum, in a rare Freudian slip, said that covid was the most profitable event in humankind. They probably were right. And because of that, I would not be surprised that there will be another pandemic declared, whether it's on bird flu or some other disease just because it's profitable. There is a ton of people globally that will comply with crazy mandates that are totally nonsensical and I think really kind of looking forward. You know, Americans need to decide, are you going to rely on the government, or are you going to be personally responsible for your health, just like you're responsible for everything else in your life? And I really hope that you know the listeners of your show take that to heart and understand that, look, at the end of the day, no one is going to come to save you, right? We we're all kind of left to our own devices, and that's why we're trying to start this trend for medical autonomy and give people the tools that they need and the education to make their own decisions. There's other companies out there that do similar things what we do. I hope they choose a company like the wellness company when you're looking for your options, but at the end of the day, I just want Americans to be prepared and have their own stockpile, to be conscious of their health, to not only think about having prescription medications on hand, but what are you doing on a daily basis in terms of lifestyle changes to keep yourself healthy so when you do get sick, you're going to minimize the impact it's going to have on yourself and your family. And I think we're really going to see over the next five years, a lot of people who have opted out in a good way of the traditional system and have found themselves a new way of receiving health care that not only is more effective, but ultimately cheaper. And what's not to love about that? I love it. We talked

Brian Nichols  29:38  
a long, long time ago the idea of a Go Fund Me government. I like the idea of an opt out government. Let's go that route. I think that sounds more fun because, yeah, I don't want to pay for things that I'm not utilizing or things i morally disagree with. So let's start saying hey, you know, I'm just gonna say no, no thanks, but no thanks. I'm gonna go to a different route, and hopefully that. Is somebody like the wellness company. And if that is the case, folks, you want to go ahead and check out the wellness company. Make sure you use code tbns at checkout for a discount applied on your order. They have health kits. They have a actual doctor's appointments. You can do tele health, as Peter said, All that and more over at the wellness company, very excited to have the wellness company as a sponsor here on the Brian Nichols show, Peter, I truly thank you for your partnership. I also just appreciate you guys doing what you do, because we talk about leading by example here, and that's exactly what the wellness company is doing. So with that, thank you any final words in the audience as we wrap things up today? No,

Peter Gillooly  30:37  
I just I really appreciate what you do and what you stand for, Brian. I mean, you guys rock, and I really hope that the movement continues to grow. I think people are making the right choices here.

Brian Nichols  30:48  
Here, all right, folks. With that being said, Brian Nichols putting a pin in today's conversation with CEO of the wellness company, Peter galooly, we'll talk to you next time you.

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