877: Marxists vs. Moderates | Why Americans Are Losing Faith in College

Brian Nichols  0:37  
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Phil Magness  2:40  
you doing? I'm doing all right. Thanks for him.

Brian Nichols  2:42  
Great to have you on I know, I'm really looking forward to talking all things, higher academia, but first, Phil, let's do the audience a favor if you could please introduce yourself here to The Brian Nichols Show audience and why your focus on the creeping left leaning ideology on these, these these college campuses? Yeah, so I'm

Phil Magness  3:02  
the David J throw chair and political economy at the independent Institute. So the Free Market Research Institute based in California, but I also do background in the study of trends and patterns in higher education. So I co authored the book cracks in the ivory tower, the moral mess of higher ed, with Jason Brennan, this basically an exploration of why colleges seem to be falling short of their promise to you know, uphold the values of free and open inquiry and, and solid research and knowledge creation and all the things that it sells the public on. Its its supposed purpose in American life.

Brian Nichols  3:41  
Well, an elephant in the room, right, we talked about here in The Brian Nichols Show our sales strategy, we'd like to teach the elephant in the room approach. Let's just start out right here. Elephant in the Room. Confidence in higher education, colleges, universities. I mean, it's been it's been creeping down for a while, Phil, but you look at the most recent numbers. And that number, it just goes off a cliff. What's happened? Why is there such distrust?

Phil Magness  4:06  
Exactly. So this is the new Gallup poll that just came out last week. It showed that among Republicans and independents, support for higher education is just cratering. It used to be something that everyone across American society, no matter their political views, viewed higher education as a positive benefit to society. It instilled knowledge, it taught the next generation, it created scientific advances. But if you ask that same question today, both among Republicans and independents, it's now dipping into a minority of each faction even thinks college is worth it. They think so sporting, and the reason that they all say over and over again, is higher education has crept sharply to the political left and the last 20 years. It's not even what we knew from a couple decades ago, colleges were always kind of left of center. That that was the biggest faction on the faculty. They identified on the political left identified as Democrats. Now it's so overwhelming that there are barely any other viewpoints that are even represented on campus in many disciplines.

Brian Nichols  5:11  
So I like to talk about this on the show, we talk about addressing the problems, but we also talk about getting to the root cause of those problems, right, Phil, because it's one thing to fix the cancer in the arm. But if you just cut the arm off, and the cancer is still there, cancer is still going to grow back. So I guess let's go to the root causes of this deep seated leftism that has been growing in these, again, air quotes on the institutions of higher knowledge, higher education. I mean, you're seeing to your point, it used to be and I you know, I'm not that old, I'm my mid 30s. But like, when I was on college campus, my my advisor, and my main political science professor, he was a Democrat and the room to you know, he was, you know, his family, good friends with the Clintons take that for what it's worth. But like having conversations with him, even though it's quite obvious that we disagreed on on policy on principles, we were able to still have a dialogue, he would hear my perspectives. And likewise, I would hear his and we'd have a fun back and forth and the college class, but you look to where it is today. It feels like that mentality is gone. It feels much more like these professors are driving kids to be little activists. So I guess the question needs to be asked is that what happened to them that they were, I guess the better word I could use as groomed to become these these left wing, you know, just pushers of ideology to the next generation.

Phil Magness  6:38  
What you're describing is absolutely supported in survey data, university faculty. So if you asked a question about 15 or 20 years ago, what's the purpose? What's what's the reason that you are in the classroom? What are you trying to do and convey? And the the typical professor would have answered, well, I am training the next generation I am conveying knowledge and conveying expertise and specialties in my field, you ask those same questions today. The most recent survey showed that more than 80% of university faculty say that one of their main purposes in the classroom is to train activists is to induce people to go out and change society. And you know, when they say change society, though, they don't mean activism across the political spectrum. They mean one specific stripe of activism that's on the hard left.

Brian Nichols  7:25  
It's the Star Wars meme with Padma dolla, and Anakin Skywalker is sitting in the green field. Yeah, she's like, she's like, you're gonna change it for the better, right? And he just stares for the better, right? That's what this feels like.

Phil Magness  7:39  
That's it. That's exactly it. It's a it's an entirely different style of approaching the classroom from professors than what you and I knew a couple of decades ago, as we ended up through higher education, I had the exact same experience. So you know, the majority of professors that I encountered probably didn't agree with me on politics. But if you look at data from as recently as like, 2000, it was about 40 to 45% of the faculty are on the political left. But there were sizable minorities on the political right sizable minorities that consider themselves moderate. So you know, like 40%, on the left, that maybe 20 or 30%, on the right, and then the rest is somewhere in between. That's a reasonable balance, that means that you can have a conversation on campus, that all shifted in the last 20 years, it's now upwards of 60% of all faculty, identifying the political left. And if you move into the humanities and social sciences, places like literature and history and philosophy and sociology, it's more like 80, or 90% of the faculty are identifying the political left, it means that there are almost no dissenting viewpoints. And the other really frightening trend of this is what you used to have these minority factions of conservatives and moderates. Both of those are in absolute decline for the first time, since basically, they started measuring it in the 1960s. So it's between 2000. And today, moderates and conservatives are an absolute with decline. Conservatives have dropped off the cliff on the faculty ranks so much. Their current estimates are maybe about 10 to 12%, of university faculty identifying the political right. And that's a smaller number than university faculty who identify as Marxists. So, you've got a university system that is completely out of line with the American public that has a diverse array of views within it, whereas the university is entirely representative of viewpoints on the political left now.

Brian Nichols  9:41  
So how do they keep on keeping on because we talk about you know, free market economics, supply and demand incentive structures, all those fun things that lead to creating solutions or old solutions dying away and if you were to look at this higher edge occation system objectively speaking, and I think you look at where we are right now folks like Bill Ackman, who are being like, oh righty, pulling my dollars out of my alma mater, right, like, and he's a billionaire. Is that where we are right now is that we just the folks who were just going along to get along, they were like, ah, you know, whatever. It's where I went to college had some good memories there. I'll go ahead and donate $35 million for the you know, the Bill Ackman Hall, or whatever it may be, like, are we at the point now, where it's those individuals who they were? And you know what, here? I'll give the John Mulaney skit, right. He's talking about back when Trump was president, and he's thinking back to Obama and he's like, you know, I used to think the guy that was there before you know, he was doing an okay job. I really didn't pay attention because when the guy is doing an okay job, yeah, rarely don't pay attention to what they're doing. And now we have a horse in the hospital. And that's the whole joke. He does. I mean, is it really that the the leftism on campus has become the proverbial horse in the hospital? And now all these folks were like, I just thought the colleges were doing an okay job. Now they're starting to wake up and pull the dollars away? Well,

Phil Magness  11:10  
I think that's absolutely what's going on. And the major events were that was when we saw, like the the quality engaged testimony on the anti Israel protests on campus. And that's only blown up ever since then, it's over the last six to eight months, we've seen these crazy, crazy far left, protests shops being set up the occupations of the quad are the invasion of buildings, in very violent and destructive ways. And the public is looking on from afar and seeing this in real time. And they're legitimately horrified at some of the expressions of anti semitism that have been tolerated. Some of the violent actions that seemed to have the support of faculty and administrators on their own campuses, or even the CO opting of the Gaza, Palestine protests themselves. So no matter where you stand on the war, we've seen the intrusion of just overt Marxist activism into this cause. And they basically co opted it to agitate for revolutionary violence. It's some really extreme stuff that's on full public display. People have seen it, and they have legitimately recoiled in horror, and they're starting to ask the question, well, what's going on these campuses? Why aren't these students actually in class learning things. Instead, their professors are encouraging them to set up a tent encampment on the wall on the mall, or to occupy a building or to smash things, or to shell to anti semitic slurs and other students. And this is seen as like heroic and valorized. Among the faculty, what it tells us is that the faculty of most universities are completely out of skew with the political opinions, the diverse political opinions of the American public. And that means what voters do they start cutting off dollars, they start cutting off subsidies.

Brian Nichols  13:00  
Well, Phil, you know, I love to hear that folks are starting to wake up. But I mean, let's just look at the data we presented here today. 80%, plus or minus of faculty, staff, and administrators at these colleges and universities leaning on, you know, far left minority of folks who are conservative is actually lesser than the folks at these college campuses who are Marxist, you see that? If that's the case, right, you have all these professors, all these faculty, all these administrators across hundreds of colleges and universities throughout the United States, and dare I say throughout the world, right, but let's look at the United States. I say all that it's great that folks are starting to wake up but Phil, elephant in the room again. Is it too late? I mean, are we at the point, right? Where I don't know what we're gonna get 80% of conservative or moderate leaning replacements for the 80% of folks who are out there on the left, who are currently filling those seats in academia? Like, is there a point where we're just going to throw our hands up and say, this system is broken, and we need something different? Or do you see that there is a chance to reclaim the institutions of higher education? Yeah, so

Phil Magness  14:11  
I'm an optimist in the long run, I think historians are going to look back at this time, and they're going to ask the question, like, what went wrong in American higher education? Why did it suddenly become so skewed? Why did it cease to represent the public that is funding it?

Brian Nichols  14:26  
And what do you think from that, by the way? I'm just curious what your thoughts are?

Phil Magness  14:28  
Oh, yeah. No, I mean, my own take on this is that yes, something has to give in higher education. We can't sustain a system that has heavy billions upon billions of dollars of public investment in it. It's only servicing a narrow, far left ideology. Basically what's going on right now as the left wing professors and administrators on campus are asking the public to open up their purse in subsidized far left wing activism. That's not in the interest of the public. It's not aren't aligned with the public good arguments that are often made for financing higher education. And pretty much pretty soon the voters start to notice that. So I think what's actually going to end up happening in the short run is there will be a contraction in public support subsidy given to higher education as a backlash against the ideology that's taken root on campus. And I can't blame voters for that. It's very real, the blame is actually the professors and administrators who did this to themselves. They said other viewpoints are not welcome on campus. But you should continue to fund this anyway. That's not a sustainable formula.

Brian Nichols  15:37  
Yeah, I mean, here, I will go back. I'll tell a quick story. Back in the day, I used to be the College Republicans president for my college, and I was president for two years. And I remember distinctly, we were trying to go to CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, right. So out in DC, I was up in New York state. So it was a, you know, a five ish hour drive somewhere in that four hours. So it wasn't going to be a huge thing. But we were looking to leverage our student activity dollars that every student pays into to help with the Student Activities Board. And I remember, distinctly felt like there were other groups on campus, the College Democrats notwithstanding, but Amnesty International, you go through all the different organizations that are all do good, right, and predominantly left leaning, they had no problem getting their their student activity dollars, they put in their words, their requests, it was instantly approved, within like an hour, we put in a request just to get like the basic stuff for hotels, and we had to fight, we had to fight like tooth and nail in order to get that funding approved. And I remember at that moment, like, you know, we're back in the 2010s at this point. And I'm thinking like, it shouldn't be this hard. This is our dollars at a institution, I'm paying money to go to, why am I having trouble accessing this, and this was, like, less than 15 years ago, here we are today, I can almost imagine being in that exact same scenario, and not even having a chance to get those dollars. Because the the folks who have been so entrenched, they make it. So the systems are now recreated, to favor one group versus another group. And I mean, right now, if you look at where the funding is coming from, yeah, a lot of it is coming from the donors. But you mentioned the taxpayer. And I just want to highlight this again filled that the taxpayer who is revolting. We have all these these public funded, you know, secondary education institutions like your your SUNY schools up in New York, or your UPenn in Pennsylvania, or you go across the country, all the different state iterations. Do you see that there's going to be a direct backlash to the funding of those institutions? And if so, what will that lead to? Where do you think that the students who would traditionally go that route? Where will they go? And then subsequently, the administrators, the faculty, the folks who are that 80%, on the left, currently sitting in those seats? Where do they go? Do they just do they just kind of float from one institution to the next they put on, you know, they put on their their? What is it the invisibility cloak, from Harry Potter? Like, I'm not a Marxist, and they hide and then they go to some back office, right at a private college, like, where are these folks go to?

Phil Magness  18:19  
Let's see exactly that. Like some of them are going to end up going to Starbucks and working as baristas with their PhDs

Brian Nichols  18:25  
for that gender studies degree coming in handy today. Yep. Okay.

Phil Magness  18:29  
Exactly. And we're already seeing some of that, because there's a huge glut of job applicants seeking faculty positions, and not enough faculty positions to hire them into. So you think that intuitively, like a college professor, even someone on the left would think, well, maybe we have a problem. We're not attracting students to our disciplines. No one wants to major in history, or gender studies, or philosophy, or social sciences, all these degrees, that previously well, maybe with the exception of gender studies, but previously, these were popular degrees. They're all in absolute decline, students are fleeing them. They're voting with their feet. And instead, they're majoring in Business Accounting, pre med, biology, things that actually have a career path in them, but also tend to be the less politicized disciplines on campus. I mean, you can't really teach Marxist accounting. It doesn't work. I mean, the Soviet Union trucking back in the day, it just doesn't work. But you can teach Marxist literary theory all day, and it's the most useless field of study possible. And yet there were entire degree programs built around it, but students do not want to teach to take those classes and the people that are teaching them are finding themselves, basically with degree programs, but no students that want to attend them. So what do they do? One of the moves is they've they've tried to mandate and regulate what students take on campus. So you in order to graduate you have to get your gen ed class in diversity training or Gen Ed, class and dei all these these political or social activists. Islam. These things have grown in rapid number over the past couple of decades, overtly politicized content that is now mandatory as a box, you must check in order to get your degree in it, no matter what you happen to be taking your major in. So there's a real problem there. The backlash of students voting with their feet by running away from the ideological skewed disciplines is being met with Well, we have to mandate them to take those classes anyway. But I don't think that lasts for very long, because there are only so many classes you can require for a degree. And I think the longer term pattern we're going to see is that this job glut of people with low value or even useless degrees, and in fields that have no students are going to find themselves shut out into the academy, they don't really have a pathway forward to do the career that they want it because the subsidy money even though it is intense, and several 10s if not hundreds of billions of dollars from the taxpayers are supporting, basically paid activism in the academy, there are more people that want to be activists than there are jobs for them.

Brian Nichols  21:11  
One of the things you just said there, Phil, and I think this speaks to exactly where we're finding a lot of this reality now, you know, head butting the ideology that our a lot of our friends in the left had had for a number of years. And you look at the idea that people aren't buying what they're selling, right. And that just speaks to where I think you have a lot of folks that go into higher education, and they get sold this bill of goods, right, you can do all these wonderful, amazing things. But economics, right? It still matters, reality still matters. And when all of a sudden, these folks are leaving the the institutions of higher knowledge, higher education, and they go into the real world. Traditionally, we used to think like, oh, well, they're gonna get slapped in the face with the real world, but then a lot of the DEI stuff went from the colleges to these larger corporations, but even now, right, that's getting a kick in the teeth because more folks have seen what's happening there. So it goes back to there is a demand for real skills for real services. Now, on the flip side of that, though, is I still hear a problem and I want to hear what your thoughts are on this Phil, like there still needs to be folks who are teaching the courses that do matter right or if we went wrong, bring back some some split of even ideological promotions at these higher institutions like you're gonna have to bring some folks who are conservative moderate, like libertarian, whatever it may be to the table but I see a lot of those folks. They don't nothing to do with these these colleges, these universities they they're like, Hey, listen, I got my job, my my business I got my my career. I'm doing great. My family like I don't want to dip my toe into these these incestuous groups of of leftism groupthink like I want I want to do my thing where I can add value, how do we get those folks to see that they there needs to be a void filled otherwise, we're just going to have more of the leftist gobbly gook fill the void that has been left from the leftist gobbledygook. I

Phil Magness  23:13  
think there's an even deeper problem here, there is active in explicit hiring discrimination against non left voices when they apply for faculty positions in many of these disciplines. And this isn't just me speculating or relaying anecdotes. There have been several studies that have asked university faculty and some of these left leaning humanities and social sciences. Do you discriminate against non leftist applicants for jobs in your department? And they proudly will declare, yes, they'll say, we absolutely do. And then they'll follow it up with something that was because we're right, and they're wrong. And so that has become actually a very pervasive feature of higher ed, in the last 20 years, that used to not be the case. It used to be common that even a left leaning department would have their token conservative on faculty to represent a range of viewpoints. As those people have retired. They've been replaced by odd ideological leftist who enjoy participating in the mono think of group culture have a single perspective in the department. And they've layered over this. Now, several schools, especially in blue states, have started requiring faculty applicants to fill out diversity statements with as part of their job application and what these are used for. It's not like saying, Well, I viewed value diversity is a value, not the abstract sense. They're saying you want a specific ideological commitment to the critical theory versions of diversity that basically align with the ideology of the far left. And the statements are used as a litmus test a screening mechanism to exclude applicants who give the wrong answer from the pool. So it's basically they've rigged the hiring game in many disciplines, to where if you're not a hardcore far leftist, you don't even have a chance. This is true not only for conservative applicants, just middle of the road moderates that are apolitical and just want to study Shakespeare, they're excluded as well by the diversity statements. So I actually think that there is a role for the government in this question of, you know, we're committed to non discrimination in hiring practices, all in all other areas of our economy. I think it's, it's actually a right move for certain state governments to say we ban diversity statements as a mechanism or part of the hiring process and higher education. Because otherwise, if you leave it to their own devices, they build these exclusionary and discriminatory mechanisms to maintain their ideological hegemony.

Brian Nichols  25:57  
And by the way, like, I can already hear the Libertarians out there being like, No, we need to go ahead and make an alternative, like make make it so we had discrimination, you know, when we're trying to weed out the leftists. But to your point, I want to laser focus on this. These are specifically institutions that are already getting our tax dollars, right. And this is the man libertarians, conservatives, like we gotta get out of our ideal and talk about the real world, like your money's already going to these institutions via your tax dollars. So at the very least, let's put some parameters of how that money should be leveraged now. That's not to say, hey, maybe our money shouldn't go to these higher education. That's a different question. Yeah, exactly.

Phil Magness  26:41  
So maybe we should cut back the funding for higher education, especially areas that are not serving this public need that has been expressed. But you know, when colleges go to the legislature, they always sell themselves as well. We're educating the children in the next generation, we're providing a benefit back to society, we're increasing knowledge. And yet they're diverting resources from this extensible, we know fluffy sounding appealing electoral pitch, they divert those resources into hard with activism that doesn't match the society that they're extracting tax dollars from? That's a

Brian Nichols  27:17  
broad. And Phil, let's because this is gonna be my final question before we go to our final thoughts today. But like, is this maybe opening the door, and we're already starting to see some of this I just listened to a podcast, Mike Rowe was being interviewed by Nick Gillespie and talking about trade schools and getting kids away from looking at college as the just logical next step and saying, let's take a step back and say, What do you really want to do? And what do you need in order to be successful there? I mean, are we going to see in Are you already seeing in the data that students are like doing a hard right turn away from college specifically, and let's look at you know, just calling it for what it is like men who are like, I don't need to go to school to get some flour, a degree that I'm literally never going to use, like, let me be, I want to be an electrician. And I can go and become an apprentice for from another electrician and work with him for a few years. And hey, when he retires, he turns the business over to me. And now I'm making six figures within a few years of graduating versus my gender degree studying cohort from college who their $150,000 in debt making $25,000 a year at Starbucks, like is that the turn we're gonna see in already seen?

Phil Magness  28:29  
Well, yeah, it's already underway. That's come through some of the survey data. Even though Support for Higher Education, the four year traditional college has tanked. One place that has been somewhat immune to that are community colleges that have two year programs and trades. And I actually urge students that this is a way you can cut down the bill for going to college is do your credits, your gen ed credits, do skilled credits at the local community college and really quickly feel

Brian Nichols  28:57  
do those colleges have the same issues as what we've been talking about today, like the left leaning isms

Phil Magness  29:03  
that some of them do, but it's much more subdued. And in fact, one of the areas of the university where non left leaning faculty seem to be a bit more abundant, are lower ranked non tenured teaching instructors at community colleges, there's a bit more ideological diversity going on there. It's still skewed. All of higher ed is definitely skewed to the left. But this is one area of the academy. That seems to be a little bit more immune than what you're seeing in like the ivy League's and Harvard and Princeton and Yale, which is just hardcore left wing activism these days. All right,

Brian Nichols  29:39  
Phil, this is the part of the show where we do our final thoughts. So what I would love for you to do if you want to put a nice neat bow on today's episode is leave the audience with your either call to action or something to ponder from today. So with that, Phil, the floor is yours.

Phil Magness  29:53  
Yeah. So I'll start with a plea actually, to the left wing faculty to all Well, the administrators out there that have embraced and endorsed this view of shifting the university into activism and away from knowledge. And my plea, and my message to them is that they are shooting themselves in the foot, they are destroying public credibility of their institutions with large swaths of the electorate large swaths of the voters. And when they see in the coming years, where they see some of the trends that are already underway of people turning away from colleges, and cutting off that spigot of tax dollars, they only have themselves to blame, because they refuse to allow the other voices to have a presence on campus. The only way you can really restore that, to get some semblance of balance, is to reopen campuses to dissenting viewpoints, make other viewpoints feel welcome. The left can still have its presence there. And I encourage them to make their arguments. But it shouldn't be only the left, it should be a more welcoming place to intellectual diversity and debate over controversial ideas a

Brian Nichols  30:59  
lot it Phil has been a great conversation. And for folks in the audience who just stay there like this is the tip of the iceberg. You're 1,000% Correct. Which is also why here at The Brian Nichols Show, we have over 875 episodes, you can go back into the archives. And we've actually talked about college universities that the seeping leftism into these institutions of higher education. So please go to Brian Nichols, show.com, go to our episodes page and search, college universities, you know, higher education that those will all show up right there. Go ahead and give us some of those episodes that listen, they'll give you a lot more context in where this conversation has started to where our conversation ended today with Phil, and I'm sure where our conversation will continue into the following episodes here in the future. So with that being said, Folks, if you got some value from today's episode, please go ahead and give it a share. When you do tell yours truly at be Nichols liberty, you can find me on Twitter, Facebook, instagram.com. Phil, where can folks go ahead and find you if they want to continue the conversation? Yeah, obviously,

Phil Magness  31:58  
we'll get the independent Institute. And that's independent.org.

Brian Nichols  32:01  
Awesome. And all links for social media over there? Absolutely. I've

Phil Magness  32:05  
got an active presence on Twitter where I comment on a lot of these issues, and put data up all the time.

Brian Nichols  32:10  
There you go. So there's the facts and the figures to the emotional attack that we're seeing today. So yes, 100% folks be aware of this, this stuff that we're talking about, because we talk about a lot and sales emotions are what make people make a decision, facts, figures, logic, reason, NASA stuff to justify the decision making. So who are the folks that are most susceptible to emotional, emotional appeals. And that's going to be younger folks, that's going to be the folks who they don't really have a lot of life experience. They'll have that anecdotal data to look back in their own lives. So the emotional appeals are a lot easier to make on those kids. So let's pay attention to that too. And notice when it's being used, and also to leverage the data, the facts, the figures that folks like Phil are going ahead and bring to the table to help us make a more educated conversation. So with all that being said, Folks, thank you for supporting the show. If you want to go ahead and check out the podcast version of the show, Apple podcast, Spotify, YouTube music, or for the video version. If you're a video type of person, head on YouTube, Rumble, Twitter, Facebook, we're uploading the video version of the show in its entirety over on those platforms. Just do me a favor, hit that subscribe button, hit that little notification bell and also head down below into the comments. If you are currently in college. We want to hear your experiences, particularly especially during COVID. I mean, we didn't even touch the COVID Insanity Phil and I'm sure that would be a whole separate conversation. So if you are in college, or you're currently in college, or were in college during the COVID era, let us know what your experience was. Or if you're a right leaning or moderate person on college campus. Where are you seeing? What's the conversation? Like? Do you feel like you're an outsider on your own campus? Let us know down below in the comment section. Fill with that any final words for the audience as we wrap things up? Yep,

Phil Magness  33:56  
I would say you know, pay attention to these trends. Pay attention to what we're spending tax dollars on. And you know, vote with your feet, including encouraging your children to make better uses of their money when they make decisions on whether to go to college, and went to major in vote with

Brian Nichols  34:13  
your feet. Also, when you look at a state that you're living in, you're like this ain't going to hot I moved from Philadelphia, PA over here to Indiana. So voting with your feet is actually one of the best things you can do to make a statement because, hey, you don't want to listen to my opinion. Well, I guess you're not gonna use my tax dollars. Likewise, I guess you're not gonna use my tuition dollars. So yes, there you go. Vote with your feet. can't agree more. Phil, thank you for joining us. And folks, one final thing, please support the folks who support us and that is our amazing sponsors like cardio miracle amp America evil CBD liquid freedom, energy, tea, and more. All of those amazing sponsors can be found over at our homepage, the Brian Nichols show.com And please support them because they are in fact, the folks who support us. With that being said, it's Brian Nichols signing off. You're on The Brian Nichols Show for Phil Magnus. We'll see you next time.

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