857: The Unspoken Struggles Veterans Face After Service

Brian Nichols  0:46  
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Garret Biss  3:27  
Brian, thank you so much for having me. And I'm really excited to talk about this topic today and share a little bit about my own experience, what I've done, and most importantly, what I'm doing now, and what I think we can all do to better help support not just veterans, but really everybody I mean, we're all going through the human the same human experience. And there's certain obstacles and challenges that come up. And there's certain things that slow us down or deviated from the path of life that we want to be on. And whether you're a veteran, whether you're a retiree, whether you you know, had some major change in your life, and you're just not showing up and experiencing life the way that you want to, I think there's something that we can all learn from having conversations around that. So that's the that's the biggest thing. And that's why I'm really excited to be here. And I'm grateful for you to invite me out here because I think for all of us, getting to a better experience in our life or making a greater impact all comes from understanding compassion. And most importantly, I think having conversation with other individuals that have been through similar things, because at the end of the day, you know, all even though all of our lives are unique, and things show up and in unique ways in our lives, I think there's a lot more commonality to the struggles that we face and the desires and the dreams that we have, which we can learn when we have these conversations and reach out to other people. Here

Brian Nichols  4:36  
here. Now one thing as I was doing some research into your approach, and I frankly I love this is that you don't simply work with folks to get them over that proverbial Hill, right? You work with folks to get them over that hill and then to keep going forward and that right there that speaks to why I really wanted to have you on the show Garrett because this is something that we as society we really got to get better at is not just like accomplishing the the hard thing. But keeping on after we've done that, because and I've seen this in my own personal life, right? Like you check off the box of whatever that thing is, you know for in my case I lost 185 pounds and I was like, All right, got life figured out, ready to go. Right? Lost? I'm sorry about that. Yeah, well, I know I don't know where the 185 pounds wage is missing somewhere. But no, when I lose all that weight, and all of a sudden, I'm thinking I got life figured out. And then you realize, oh, like my life, life still is hard. Even though I'm not a big fatty anymore. I'm not 385 pounds, and yet life still is challenging. There's still issues that I thought were gonna get resolved by just getting skinnier and it didn't happen. And then you start to say, well, what am I doing wrong? What happened? And then what do you do you start to self medicate, you start to maybe have that one extra drink at the end of the night, that turns into a couple extra drinks that turns into well, you know, if I started drinking at five o'clock, it's five o'clock somewhere too. Well, if I start drinking at noon, not everybody else is gonna know. I mean, I'm working from home, whatever, right?

Garret Biss  6:07  
That's a big thing through COVID, too, right? Like a lot of people walk around, but they're like tea cups and coffee cups. Nobody knows what's in it. And and I love your point there water,

Brian Nichols  6:14  
I swear it's water. That's right. And

Garret Biss  6:18  
to your point there, you know, I had a mentor years ago, and he pointed out he said, there's a lot of tools and resources to help somebody get out of the gutter. What there isn't, is the resources to help somebody continue that journey and climb up the mountain. And that's really what inspires me to do the work that I do. And some of the tools and resources that I provide with those I work with are free resources I provide online Speaking of which, I've got one for your audience. So remind me at the end, and I'll share that. Because it's you know, okay, so you've overcome this huge obstacle and challenge. But now what are you going to do with that? Like, what's the point of that, because if we don't continue that work, if we don't continue to build up our our self esteem, our resolve our resilience, regain that sense of meaning and purpose in our life to drive forward, then it's too it's too much of a risk of another substance, another behavior, another numbing or coping mechanisms to sneak its way into our life, and continue to create a situation are an experience that we don't want, that we want to get away from. So that's why I think it's really important. You know, if you take those first couple steps into whether somebody is struggling with addiction, and they're taking their first couple steps into recovery, it's very important to continue that journey. I see a lot of people that they start that recovery journey, maybe they find sobriety from whatever substance or behavior they they've struggled with, but then they just they create a life where they're just suffering against cravings and temptations. And it's like, that's not what life is supposed to be about. We're not supposed to be white knuckling this thing till the end, it's let's create a life that we don't want to numb and escape from. I think that's the that's the end goal. And that's the secret to continue that journey and why why I do what I do. Let's

Brian Nichols  7:44  
create a life that we don't want to get numb and escape from that right there. That is it. And I mean, Garrett, how many folks who come home from overseas, you know, campaigns and such, like, they, they just, and I've heard this far too often, this is why it hurts so much to hear. They just they don't feel they fit in, they feel that they get home, and everything here just keeps going. But it's like they they go overseas, they come back after their tour of duty. And it's like they're in a different time zone or different era, or just something has changed and they don't feel like they are integrated into society. So let's kind of go back and and really understand and let's talk about veterans in this part of the episode. What are some of the the things I guess you guys face that we just don't realize and help us understand when vets come home? What can we do better to help you guys feel that you're you're not outcast, that you haven't watched society just completely forget about you and move forward while you come home? And you're trying to re acclimate back into real life? So what can

Garret Biss  8:53  
we do better? Yeah, so I skipped over your first question. So I'm a Marine Corps veteran myself, I served from 99 until 2015, ultimately, as a C 130. Pilot, so the greatest job that anybody can have in the military, I'll argue that all day long, and what I've learned through my experience, and what I've been speaking a lot about, actually the my TEDx talk, which should, it's hopefully out right now, if not, it'll drop very soon. What I look at is the transitional trauma that veterans experience. So when we look at the veteran population as a whole, there's about 18 million veterans in the United States, as the population of veterans are more than twice as likely to suffer with mental health challenges and struggle with addiction. And veterans are at at a rate of somewhere between 22 to 44 a day, depending on the statistics that you look at, are taking their own life. So that tells me that there's a tremendous amount of pain and suffering that veterans are enduring. And that's what I share about in my TEDx Talk is looking at what creates that, you know, that situation are what creates this hard, you know, this challenge or this, this life experience that veterans are facing? Yes, there's certainly a lot of veterans that experience things in their service, where it's variants things, while forward deployed, that create challenges, whether it's post traumatic stress, or, you know, or just emotions that were bottled up that weren't properly processed or dealt with. So that's certainly true. And that leads to a lot of these statistics. But there's a lot of other veterans who continue to struggle or suffer after their transition, because of these three fundamental basic human needs that we lose. So as humans, in order to thrive, in order to experience a fulfilling and successful and joy filled life, we have some basic needs. One of those is the need for connection. So we have a need for connection to other individuals in order to emotionally regulate in order to have a sense of belonging in order to have a sense of self worth. In order to feel like we're making a contribution or know our place in the world, we have this sense of connection, we also have a need. With that connection, we have a need for authenticity, we have this need to be able to show up as we are to say what we think ask for what we need, and not fear that it's going to cost us the connections that we have. Lastly, we have a real strong need for a sense of meaning, you know, meaning is not only does meaning something that excites us and gives us direction helps us move forward in our life, and you know, and know the direction that we're moving. But meaning is also a capacity to endure suffering. When we have a strong sense of meaning in our life, we're able to do hard things, we're able to experience some setbacks and some challenges and obstacles, and we're able to overcome them because of the sense of meaning that we have, well, if we look at a veteran that transitions from a life of service in the military, you know, for many veterans, like myself, I joined the Marine Corps when I was 18. So everything I knew about myself and about being an adult and being a member of society, or a member of the world, the community, everything I knew is through the lens of being a veteran. When I, when I retired from the Marine Corps in 2015, there was a very abrupt shift from that reality that I had known from that identity that I'd had to this whole new world and this whole new identity, and it was trying to find my way through that and trying to reconcile the differences between this life that I came from and other life that I was experiencing, that's what that's what destroyed my foundation, that's what ruined, you know, put sent me in a tough direction and sends a lot of veterans in really challenging directions, that loss of connection to the Brotherhood and the sisterhood that I had in the service, that loss of understanding, knowing my identity, I knew myself as a Marine, I didn't know who this Garrett this was, I had to go find that person. And then the sense of meaning that I lost and you know, very abruptly, all those things create a very challenging situation for veterans to move beyond.

Brian Nichols  12:29  
You said the word meaning I was gonna say the word purpose, same church, different pew. If, if you certainly were to ask me, right, because when you look at that idea of your sense of meaning, your sense of purpose, I actually tell my new dad, and I've been saying this here in the show for the past year, you know, as I've entered into fatherhood, it's like, if you're ever looking for whatever that that calling is, your sense of purpose, your sense of self have a kid because you see your kid, right? Like that's, she's the one that keeps me doing what I do, doing all the hard things, you know, trying to be the best version of myself. Now, that's not to say I, you know, I'm perfect, I'm not perfect, I sinned, I fail, I could not even begin to count the number of times I've, I've sinned, not only in the eyes of man, but also in the eyes of God. And with that, that's something that I am constantly having to work on. But if I'm looking for my North Star, it's my daughter, right? It's my family. It's, it's that that gives me that meaning that purpose. And for the veterans, you know, your your purpose, your meaning is to protect this country. And that's what you go and you're literally putting our lives on the line to do. And yet when you come home, there is I'm going to just say like, there's almost zero things that compare to what going in serving in the armed forces does. And you know, we're recording here a day after Memorial Day or two days after Memorial Day, excuse me. And it really just speaks to not just like, how how important the role of veterans is, but just the ultimate sacrifice that comes with being you know, someone who put your, your, your life on the line, to stand up for this country. And when you all of a sudden come home, and that meaning that purpose, like it's still there, you're it doesn't go away, like that's still something you're passionate about, but there's no job that you wouldn't go to.

Garret Biss  14:11  
There's a lot of people that enter the corporate workforce, and they're like, what, you know, it's just not filling me up the way that it did. Or it's just, you know,

Brian Nichols  14:18  
Gary, you're telling me that the corporate meetings with Bob, the discuss the the accounts from the Whitehall account that that's not exciting, compared to being put overseas and trying to defend America's interests?

Garret Biss  14:29  
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So and, you know, and when, with that strong sense of meaning as we're in situations or environments, it can get really clear. So he talked about fatherhood. For one, one thing, our sense of meaning and purpose is going to change throughout our life. And, and that's okay. And that's normal. But I think it's when we get caught off guard that our sense of meaning has changed. And we're not we're not able to kind of reconcile that abrupt change or the transition, that's when it creates a lot of issues. So, you know, you talked about fatherhood and one of the things that I you know, something has happens to a loved one, if you're dealing with an emergency, if your child has an emergency got to take them to hospital, or there's something that needs to be solved. It's like, I get such a sense of clarity. And it seems like everything else just kind of removes itself from the periphery. And I get very clear on, what do I need to do in the next 10 minutes, the next hour, where's my focus right now. And when you have that, you know, when you're when you're forward deploy, when you're working with, you know, in the military, when you're, whether you're conducting a training operation, there's this environment that you're in. And there's this thing that you this task before you that it's really clear where you're focused on where your attention needs to be. And what I've struggled with, and I know a lot of veterans struggle with is after the military, it's, it's kind of hard to figure out, you know, there's not one shining star that's that's much, you know, taking so much more of your attention, or it seems much more important than everything else. So it can be distracting, it can feel overwhelming. And it you know, puts a situation where a lot a lot of veterans just feel lost as they try to navigate their life in this new world, this new experience. So

Brian Nichols  15:56  
let's go from the outlining the problems, part of the show to identifying solutions. Garrick is here in The Brian Nichols Show. We like to promote solutions, namely solutions that we can just start to bring to the table right now without having to go to Mr. And this is government and say, Please elbow us. Now we say we're going to start doing things right now that need to be done. Gosh, darn it. So I know you focus specifically on providing tools and resources to veterans who are coming home and they're trying to find some type of help to to help re acclimate or at the very least figure out what the heck's going on up here. So with that being said, Garrett, give us some of those tools give us some of those resources. And frankly, for the folks out there who are listening today, and maybe they're finding themselves identifying very much with this, this this persona that we've created here today in the show, what would be some some words of advice to them?

Garret Biss  16:47  
Yeah, so three things really, one is trying to regain that sense of connection. So if we're in a situation or experience, there's been an abrupt change in our life, and we feel like we've lost that sense of connection, maybe you're retired, maybe you just moved, maybe you entered a new workforce. Being the friend or being that sense of connection that we want to experience from other people is a tremendous, tremendously powerful way to start to create some of those sense of connection, I always say, if you want somebody who's going to be there with you, and good and bad times, if you want somebody who's going to be a true friend who's going to show up for you, then demonstrate your willingness to do that. For others. I think it was Zig Ziglar. That said, if you go out in the world seeking friends, you won't find them anywhere. If you go out in the world trying to be a friend, you'll find them in abundance. So that's a great thing to remember if we feel like we're disconnected if we feel like we don't have that social circle or those connections that we want, go out and try to be that connection provide that for somebody else. So that's certainly the first thing. The next thing is when we lose that sense of meaning in our life, it can be hard to find what's the next thing that can fulfill that sense of meaning. One of the things that I like to encourage people to do is follow the emotion of joy. Joy is a very powerful emotion, it can be a guiding star in our life. And what I found is when we engage in the things where we feel the sense of joy the most, this usually leads us towards where we'll find the greatest sense of meaning and purpose in our life. There's a reason that we enjoy it, there's a reason that you know, we get lost or swept away in the time where we really feel like we're in the zone. So whatever that is for you use that as a key to you know, go investigate and find ways that you can bring some more of that into your life, maybe it's with a professional, maybe you're lucky because you get to do you know, you get to monetize the thing that you that brings the most joy into your life. Maybe it's not that maybe it's a hobby, or maybe it's another passion, there's something that you that you engage with, that you pursue outside of work or in your spare time. Lastly is and this ties back to our how we started this conversation around addiction around alcohol is find ways that you can be responsible for creating what you want to experience in your life. And I think I, when I see people that struggle with addiction, what when they really start to struggle, it's because they've become reliant on something external to their body, to create or synthesize some kind of internal feeling, maybe it's a pain that they're trying to avoid. Maybe it's a void that they're trying to fill, but they're relying on something that's external to them to create the sensation, I think of recovery is the opposite of that Recovery to me, is finding everything that we need inside of us to create the situation and the experience that we want. So if you find yourself pointing the finger or trying to identify things that are external to you, whether it's the environment, your community, the government, you know, this new law, this new regulation, these are all things that are external to you find the thing, find the answers inside of yourself. And I think that's the pathway to a you know, to recovery to much more greater happiness and joy in your life and experiencing a much more fulfilling existence. Garrett,

Brian Nichols  19:39  
the TED X is called the unspoken trauma all veterans face now as we're recording here today, peek behind the curtain that TEDx has not launched yet, however, very, very shortly it will be going live. So with that being said, we want folks to obviously please support all the great work that Gary It's doing but also we want you guys to go check out this TEDx. So Garrett for the folks out there who want to go ahead and catch that, that talk you did. Give us some details there working folks go ahead and catch it, do they have to spend money, all that fun stuff.

Garret Biss  20:13  
So you can send Brian Nichols unmarked bills in a in a plastic bag. Now you can go and you can check it out for free, you can go to unspoken trauma dot vet. And that's where the TEDx will be when it goes live and knock on wood. Hopefully, it's live right now when you're listening to this. But one of the we talked about having conversations and having that understanding the compassion. So one of the things I really intended with his TEDx talk was to explain my understanding and the experience that veterans face, but also to help other people who love veterans who work with veterans to better understand the suffering and the challenges that veterans face, so that they can better support those veterans that they love. One way to do that is to check out the TEDx talk. But I want to help use this as a catalyst to creating more conversations, not just around the veterans struggles, but how many of us struggle at times in our life and some of the obstacles that we face. So one invitation that I have is if you watch the talk, and you enjoy it, and you want to share it with others, I invite you to host a watch party. And there's an opportunity to do that on that on the website, unspoken trauma that vet. And what we can do is bring a group of individuals together, do it on the Zoom Room, do it on a phone call, and we can experience the TEDx talk, and then talk about whatever it brings up for us so that we can, you know, I think there's a lot of healing that happens when we can share and when we can speak openly and talk about what we're going through, we gain insights, and we bring gain clarity, and we feel the support. So that's a so there's a great opportunity there to do that. And then before I forget, I want to mention this free resource that I had, one of the products that I sell with my coaching which I want to offer to your audience for free, is called the warrior reset. Now, whether you're a veteran and you consider yourself a warrior, or you're just an individual going through life, and fighting the battles as best you can, you can consider yourself a warrior for this. But the warrior reset is just a quick 10 Day program that you can go through. And it provides for simple activities that you can do each day takes no more than 15 minutes to do all of them. But it's a great emotional, physiological spiritual kind of reset that help you get back to that version of your best self reset your central nervous system, calm yourself helped fuel some more positive mindset so that you can deal with the challenges that life presents. So very quick, very effective way to do that. And if for anybody that's interested, you can go to the warrior reset.com and get free access to that. Fantastic.

Brian Nichols  22:27  
Thank you so much, Garrett. And by the way, we're going to include that link in the show notes. So it's super easy for folks to find all you got to do go down below if you're watching us on the video version of the show, just click that link in the show description. Or if you're watching, watching listening to us on the podcast version of the show, just head to your podcast catcher notes, and they will be right there in the notes. This is great. And Gary, I'll I'll wrap things up on my end with this. And we have to, we have to be willing to talk about the things that are uncomfortable to talk about. Like I have been very vocal on social media, specifically my my personal pages, talking about my battle with substance abuse, namely my battle with alcohol. And for about three years now actually, this, this summer will be three years, I haven't had a sip of alcohol, and it's been one of the best choices I ever made. But with that, I know that if I were to just simply tell Brian from you 510 years ago, that well this is where you're going to be I would have laughed at myself in the face. Because to see where I was to where I am today, I couldn't really I couldn't draw the map out, I couldn't figure out how I'm going from destination a to destination z. So I think one of the hardest parts is knowing that there is hope, first of all, but also that there are people out there who just like you have either gone through what you are currently going through, or are currently going through what you are going through so don't feel and this is my main words of advice for the audience today. Don't feel you have to battle this alone. You're not alone. There are people out there like yours truly like Garrett like your friends like your family who will be there to help support you whether you're a veteran returning from your overseas tours of service, or if you're just as a Garrett mentioned just an average every day. You know Mr. or Mrs. John Q citizen going out and facing the battles we all had to face every single day we all are going through something but don't feel that you have to go through that something alone. And if you do feel that way, at the very least please don't feel that you need to partake in some type of substance to help numb whatever it is that you're feeling. There are people there who will support you, but also people who will help you become the best version of yourself not just overcoming that proverbial Hill, but yes, going far beyond the hill and maybe clinic a few mountains along the way. That's my final thoughts for today. Garrett, as we wrap things up, what do you have for us on your end? And where can folks again, go ahead, support you in the great week. Great work you're doing over there at unspoken trauma. dotnet

Garret Biss  24:58  
Thank you, Brian. so much for sharing that. And it reminds me of the famous saying that your sickness is in your secrets. So for those people that are struggling with something, just share it with somebody else, you know, maybe share it with yourself if there's nobody that you trust to share with, share it by yours with yourself by writing it down writing in a journal, just to get it out there. So that some healing and some clarity and some some forward movement can take place. And Brian, thank you so much for being open about your struggles, because, you know, that's it gives the next person permission to face some things in their life and to take those positive steps. So I really appreciate that. And this whole conversation, for anybody that wants to find me find me on social media, you can go to my website, Garrett vis.com, which I've provided, you can also put that in the show notes, unspoken trauma dot vet. So you can watch my TEDx talk, talking about the transitional trauma that all veterans experience. And then finally, if you want a free gift, you can go to the warrior reset.com. And you can experience the warrior reset for yourself. Fantastic

Brian Nichols  25:55  
stuff, Garrett. And by the way, you know what, folks, I'm going to do something I've never done before. Well, I haven't done in a while. And that is a completely non paid for sponsored posts. And that is, I want you guys, if you haven't had the chance yet, check out my conversation with our good buddies from the white flag project. What they are doing is they're creating so we've all heard the commercials for better help, right, and they literally do a commercial, like every podcast, that seems our YouTube video. So these guys are better help. But better, they're better than better help. And the reason they are is because instead of being given your information to some random psychiatrist out there, you are actually working with people in your peer group, who are putting themselves out there as a resource that have gone through things that you have gone through, it's completely peer to peer, completely anonymous. So if there are things and by the way, right, there are things I'm sure I've had to deal with Garrett, you've had to deal with, you know, John, who's listening, Susie, who's listening, you guys have all had to deal with stuff that I guarantee, if I were to give you a microphone right now and say, Tell the world you'd be like, I'm good, I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off. But you know what on white flag, you can go ahead and in fact, tell somebody what's been bothering you because to your point, Garrett, right, it becomes the poison, you have to get it out of your system. And to know that you can talk about it completely. Without the social, the social vision in on what it is you're talking about, or to feel that you're going to be judged. Now, there are people out there who are willing to help so white flag app, please go ahead, I'm actually going to include that link in the show notes as well. And if you stick around on the video version of the show, you're gonna see rate about like, somewhere in this general area, a video pop up, that's gonna be my conversation with the CEO and founder of the white flag app, as well as our good buddy on Spike Cohen, who is a big investor over there as well. So please go ahead and check that episode out. But for all the work that Garrett's doing, again, folks, this is exactly why I wanted to have Garrett on the show. Because if we don't talk about this stuff, then more and more folks who are suffering are going to be suffering in silence. So it requires us who have gone through some of the darkness to share where we found the light and it showed that there is a path so if you got some value from today's episode, which I know all of you out there you did in some way, shape or form, please do us a favor. Go ahead, share today's episode. When you do please tag yours truly on your favorite social media apps on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, wherever it may be find me at BEA Nichols liberty as for the the main version of the show, in the podcast, you can find us on wherever it is you get your podcasts, Apple podcasts, Spotify, YouTube music, or for the video version, YouTube, Rumble, Twitter, Facebook, we're uploading the video versions of the show in their entirety over there. And other than that, just one final plug, please support the folks who support us and that is our amazing sponsors like cardio Miracle are a phenomenal studio sponsor, the wellness company, we have Eagles CBD plus we have our good friends, as I mentioned over at the white flag app completely non paid for sponsorship, but they're just incredible people. So I want to go ahead and give them some love. Garrett, it has been an absolute pleasure having you here on the show. Any final words or final thoughts for the audience? Before we wrap things up today?

Garret Biss  28:58  
Brian, thank you so much. I'll just say that no matter what you've gone through, no matter what you've experienced, or what you've done in your life, you're still a lovable human being just as you are. And you deserve to know that. And if that means that you need to reach out and find help in order to remember that yourself. And please do that.

Brian Nichols  29:12  
Hear that mom? I'm still lovable. Hi. Just kidding. Now with that being said, thank you, Garrett for joining us here on the show. And again, folks, please go ahead, give this episode a share. We really appreciate all the love and support you give us because yes, we here at The Brian Nichols Show are in fact lovable. So with that being said, it's Brian Nichols signing off here on The Brian Nichols Show for Garrick Biss. We'll see you next time

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