830: The Anatomy of a False Flag - How the Media Misled America

Brian Nichols  0:30  
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Ben Swann  3:56  
Thanks for having me on. Brian. I've been great. How about you?

Brian Nichols  3:58  
Busy, busy, busy. I know we were just talking about new dads slash new granddad life. So life's fun. But life has been busy. And I guess a lot behind the scenes in our American political discourse. A lots been happening as well, Ben, since you were last year on the show. Talk to us what's been going on in the world of Ben Swan recently?

Ben Swann  4:18  
Well, a lot of things. I mean, we've been growing like crazy. You were building a studio in Miami, which is where I am right now. But you have this little water thing, I guess, whatever that painting is. But anyway, so we're building a studio here for truth and media and you know, putting together some incredible stuff. We've been working on a whole set of Docu series actually two different Docu series that we're releasing, you're mentioning the rest of the story. We'll be talking a lot about that today. But also, starting next week, we'll start releasing a docu series that I put together called Solinsky. unmask which takes a look at the war in Ukraine. And what I would argue is the scam that's being run around that war. It's a pretty incredible thing that I think more and more people are beginning to read realize and wake up to. But you know, when you start to get facts and information, it's really starting to look at it rather than just the propaganda. We're fed all day long, you know, these, these stories start to tell themselves. So we've been incredibly busy with it. But it's a very exciting time.

Brian Nichols  5:13  
It's just funny like, so peek behind the curtain for the audience, I ever will record multiple episodes sometimes in a day, and I just actually recorded an episode before you hopped on here with a college professor. And, you know, he's a libertarian, but he was making a very strong and passionate case that America, in fact, is doing the right thing in Ukraine and in Israel. And it just, it is quite entertaining to me to go from that episode two, this conversation now, you and I, Ben, I think are much more on the same wavelength in terms of I look at the Ukraine war, I think it's a complete money laundering scam. And we can dig into that today I look at what's happening in Israel, I think, oh, an unintended consequences being met with another unintended consequence that will lead to more unintended consequences. How about that? So for me, I just, I don't know, it is just funny to be able to go from literally the polar opposite side of the aisle to where I think majority of the audience is today. So thank you for that.

Ben Swann  6:08  
And I didn't I didn't hear your interview with the professor. But what's interesting when you the difference between interviewing a journalist and the professor, right, is that professors are theoretical, right? So in theory, here are the reasons why if everything we're being told is true, this could make sense. The problem is, is when you peel back the curtain and you say, but the things we're being told are complete lies that I wonder how he would respond to that they didn't do a go on together. So I said,

Brian Nichols  6:32  
we should probably have that conversation, because one of the things we talked about was the importance of facts, right facts being the underlying bedrock of your argument, and at the very peak of your pyramid of argumentation, critical thinking. And I raised the question, well, what if the facts are wrong? Right? And that right there, I think, is where the main divide comes is a well, what are the facts? And this actually is a great segue to the conversation we're gonna have today looking at January 6, and also you tease it with Ukraine, you know, what were the facts versus what was the narrative? What was the propaganda and I think right there, we have a great opportunity, Ben to really pull the curtain back and have a real heart to heart conversation with the American public to say, you weren't told the truth, or at least you weren't told the full truth you were you were given little sneak pieces to help paint a picture of a scenario we want you to believe. But when we start to actually look at the entirety of the evidence, the entirety of the facts as they present themselves, without the bias, and I actually just heard, I think is on Patrick, David's podcast, you're talking about, you know, you watch a new segment, and turn off, like turn off the volume, just watch it. And what what do you gather from your own lying eyes watching something? And then when you hit the unmute button, what's the narrative being promoted? And does that narrative change the way that you interpret those very real facts that your own eyes are seeing? And the answer is quite clearly? Yes. So then talk to us. You know, we're looking at the the ignoring of facts, the ignoring of complete context. You're talking about this with Lera Logan for the brand new Docu series that's being released over in its entirety through truth and media over on AIX as well. But like, what, what were some of the most damning things you saw in terms of facts and context being forgotten or outright omitted? And we're talking about the J six, I guess what end of democracy as it was called back in 2021? Yeah, I

Ben Swann  8:37  
think that the so the thing about January 6, if you have multiple things happening at one time, right, it when you go back and you look at the story, obviously you had a Trump rally that took place. We all know that right? I was at that rally, I was covering it that day, then you had the rally breaking up. And then you have people who went to the Capitol, and then all of a sudden you have a second story that's happening there. And then we have the story that's been played out by the media, right. There were these groups that were there, there were paramilitary groups, like the proud boys groups like the Oathkeepers. And what they actually wanted to do was come into the Capitol hang and kill members of Congress and take over the government. And yet, and yet, when you look at that narrative, and you say, Okay, well, that sounds horrible. And you look at the right pictures, and you look at the right images, you can Okay, I can see it. There's people on scaffolding, they're breaking windows, windows are trying to get into the building. There's, there's this woman actually grabbing who shot and killed because she was going to try to kill members of Congress. And so their images that then fit what someone's telling you. So I love how you started this by saying, if you turn off the audio, if you turn off the volume, we just look at the images that are being presented. And then you turn on the volume and the explanation to you is this is what was happening. This is what these people were doing. You would have no reason to not believe it. Right? Because it's being all framed to you in a certain way. Of course that's not journalism. Journalism, if that's what we were watching probably watching newscasts would say, alright, let's look at all of what's happening.

Brian Nichols  10:03  
So if we've been really quick like that The analogy I want to give is I think I, I am a closet. Big paranormal fan. I love ghosts and stuff. There's a show I watch on YouTube called nukes top five, and he'll have like, you know, like these different Scary videos. And then you'll play the video and he'll go, did you hear it? And then he'll put like, the captions over what the ghost said. And I'm like, the Ghost didn't say that the ghost rap. But he's like, did you hear the ghost say, I miss my mom. It's like, oh, he put the captions. And now my brain is trying to hear that. But when you just listen to it, it's just a bunch of like white noise gobbly gook. So that's exactly right. Yeah.

Ben Swann  10:43  
Oh, well. And there's another great example of that. There's a professor, there's a video that's going around on like reels and Instagram. And it's his professor who's in a classroom, and he's explaining to the class, how you tell people what to hear. And they hear it. And so it's the sound of a crowd chanting, let's go Manchester, I think. And then he, and they all have like, you know, they're kind of British Scottish accents, right? So as Americans, we're hearing it and we're hearing what he's telling us. And then they write on the screen what they're saying. And they, and it's everything, I'm gonna get it wrong. But it's everything from things like, you know, Bart Simpson is the best. And it's all these different things at one after the other. And every time he you put the words on the screen, and you hear them saying that, that's what you hear. It's pretty amazing. And his point is, is the power of suggestion, right? You hear this sound, someone's telling you what they're saying. And so your brain automatically fits to do what that is. And that can really,

Brian Nichols  11:39  
I want to do this really quick. I'm going to share this screen. This is a perfect example, folks, you should be seeing a YouTube video right now. Listen, listen to this. Okay. Now, if you're an audio listener, I want you to listen to what it's saying. If you're a video listener, you're gonna see the words that it says, what was it saying? I'm not gonna tease it yet. I want to play it a little bit first, and then I want you to listen to it and tell me what you hear

all right, so is that same green needle? Or is it saying brainstorm? All right, now I'm gonna play it again. Listen for it to say brainstorm. Now, when I first played it, I was hearing green needle. And as soon as I said, to listen for brainstorm, now all I hear is brainstorm. And that right there, Ben, you can you can, we can both listen to the exact same audio clip. And we can hear two different things. You I can literally hear two different things. Like literally immediately, the first time.

Ben Swann  12:47  
Yes, exactly. Exactly. It's so much of it is is suggestion, right? Because our brains, listen, our brain is making shortcuts, it's trying to get to the clarity of whatever it's hearing as quickly as possible. And so you make the right suggestions to what you hear. And a lot of that's what's happened in case it's not as sophisticated. But it is, it's what's happened. And I think you asked about admissions. One thing we have found in Laurel series, that is so incredible. And I encourage people, the first 10 episodes are up the truth of media.com. You can go there on extra truth in media through the media.com, you can watch the first 10 episodes. They are incredible, but especially if you go with like those last three episodes that have come out. We present so much information that was omitted about the role of law enforcement, the role of Capitol Police, the role of military groups that are there, potentially feds, FBI, CIA, any number of three letter agencies who are on the ground, you know, we mentioned about this, this idea of insurrection and the attempt to overthrow the government. power of suggestion. When we see that and we see crowds and these people plan to storm the government, kill members of Congress, and then take over a government building and declare Trump president, how are they going to do that? With no weapons? Why were there no weapons on the ground? You know, that not one J. Six, defendant has been charged with having a handgun charged with having a bomb on them not charged with a single weapon. And yet, we were able to find at least two or three people who did have weapons on them that day, who were dressed like they were people in the crowd. But since you know, J six, they've been identified and then hidden, because they were members of law enforcement who were armed, who were encouraging people to go into the Capitol who were telling people to go through windows, who were telling people to climb scaffolding you were telling them how to get into the building. And what we have found and it sounds it might sound conspiratorial to people so that's why you got to watch the videos. Laura has an incredible job of her team of breaking down facts All information, we have a team that was able to pull information that had been scrubbed from the internet able to recover it in some incredible forensic ways to show what was what exactly was happening, how much of this was pre planned in advance, and then you take that and you couple it with, you know, interviews that we've done, regarding the vans that were vans of men, who were who were brought into DC early in the morning, who look like military or feds who were dressed as Trump supporters who were dispersed into the crowd. And so if you're only carrying dream needle, and you say I never hear brainstorm, it's because no one's ever suggested to you that brainstorms are part of that's right. And I think that's what's happened with K six. If you watch the J six committee hearings, they have intentionally omitted so much information. You know, members of Congress who have questioned the FBI department, Homeland Security who have questioned them about who was on the ground, how many agents were on the ground? What was their role? Did any agents commit acts of violence, can't get answers, still, to this day can't get answers. And so there is an incredible omission of factual information about how much government was involved in this day. And that means to this, if what happened on day six was purely spontaneous. If there was no role of government in trying to create some kind of other event, it was purely spontaneous, proud boys went in there and they wanted to take over the Capitol. They all decided that morning, by the way, we're going to take the Capitol. Why would law enforcement in the crowd in such numbers dressed as plainclothes as plainclothes civilians? How do they how do they anticipate this? Why do they anticipate this? They will have answers to any of those questions. And the sad thing is, especially on the mainstream level, no one dares to even ask the question. What

Brian Nichols  16:50  
if you do you're labeled a conspiracy theorists like I think Thomas Massie had the testicular fortitude to even ask the question. Why is Ray Epps not being looked at like he was literally at the Capitol building the night before saying, We gotta go in, we gotta go in. And everybody's saying, no, no fed, fed, fed, that doesn't get brought up that doesn't get looked at and if it does, why are you trying to destroy this poor man's life? Wait, hold on, I thought everybody who went to the January 6 protests with a Trump hat on was a literal, domestic terrorist. Is that not the mindset, but now we're gonna protect this one guy for reasons.

Ben Swann  17:29  
I mean, what's fascinating about Ray Epps is that he wasn't charged with anything for well over a year, it wasn't until we started reporting on him that the feds came back and said, Oh, you know, we are going to slap him with something. And so they gave him a very small charged misdemeanor charge of incitement or something outside, he put his hand on this flag and helped to push it into officers. So there were a few things that we brought out. And as we started to bring those out, and they started to come out of this series, he's gotten a little more scrutiny, and they're trying to keep it quiet. But I think it is so glaring of the fact that you have people who are right now, Brian, still in solitary confinement, over what happened on January 6, who's still a month on to trial. And most of these people, I would say, the vast majority of them are being charged with trespassing. That's what they're being charged with, when they finally get into a courtroom. They're not being charged with with treason. They're not being charged with insurrection. They're being charged with trespassing or with disrupting an official proceeding. And yet we'll see And listen, I'm not trying to be political about which is right or wrong. I'm just saying it's inconsistent. You see people who are coming into the Capitol who were trying to protest Israel's funding and the Palestinian movement, and they want, you know, the rights for Gaza, Free Gaza, free Palestine. None of those people are being charged the same way. None of them were in solitary confinement. I'm not saying they shouldn't be they shouldn't bring what I'm saying is there cannot be one specific event with one class of people who are deemed to be domestic terrorists. When you get into trial. They say, well, they were trespassing. They messed up our official event, and that's why they've been in solitary confinement now for two years.

Brian Nichols  19:06  
I just don't I say I don't get it. I do get it. And I hate that I get it. It's because we are really in this, you know, this. It's a two party but kind of like to system America. Right. And it really depends on which of those parties that you're a part of in terms of how you will be approached when it comes to our government. And you look at if you're not towing the official narrative as it has been passed down from our government bettors whether that's through COVID, J. Six, Ukraine. I mean, you go through the list, especially over the past five years, and I think that's also why so many folks are having this conversation, frankly, Ben, it's because you just can't like pretend that the past five years haven't happened. They can't gaslight us and say like, Oh, it wasn't that bad or to your point try to rewrite the history that to make us use the wayback machines to find that, you know, historical forensic evidence that shows we didn't know you didn't say this stuff, or we do have reporting the shows The X y&z happened. And that right there, I think speaks to why so many people are in fact starting to ask questions. And I'm gonna pick on Ben Shapiro here for a second. And it's because he did an episode on Friday where he was talking about like, well, there's people who they're just asking questions. And he's like, if you're just asking questions, I don't think that your good faith. And he's like, especially if you're older, like if you're a younger person, you're just asking questions, I understand that you want to you want to understand, but you're older, and you should have context and historical understanding than just saying I'm asking questions isn't isn't a good approach? It's it's not a it's not an authentic approach, more or less. And I disagree. I disagree wholeheartedly, because we need to be consistently asking questions, and frankly, questioning everything. That's not to say that there are things that are true that are factual, and I just talked about this last episode, where you have facts that we can agree upon. But we have to first agree that this is solid foundational facts. And that's the problem I hear, especially when we're talking about and you know, Ben Shapiro is very, very emotional when it comes to the Israel, Israel Gaza conversation. But like the facts that that he brings to the table, he will not question it. And that's where we have problems, because he's looking at what he's identifying as black and white facts. And saying, If you dare question these, you're anti semitic, you're anti Zionist, you hate Jews like that's, that's the argument and you can't have a rational discourse, if that's the pre the preset, that's a deposition that you're going to be saying, okay, these are our set of facts, and you aren't allowed to test them, you aren't allowed to challenge them. That's, that's how we get better. Right, then like we're supposed to challenge this.

Ben Swann  21:44  
Absolutely. And one of the problems with First of all, to say, just asking questions. Well, the reason that people will say I'm just asking questions, is because the assumption is, is that we everyone has lied to us for so long, that we have to start with a set of questions. Because what I didn't see Shapiro's pockets, right, but what it sounds like he's indicating, is that by just asking questions, you're just trying to throw bombs, right. You're asking, incidentally, they're an incendiary questions for the for the purpose only of creating disruption? Well, first of all, even if that is the case, so what, right even if someone is only asking questions, because they want to disrupt your narrative, so what if you have answers, you should be able to answer those questions. If the questions are based on a false premise, you should be able to address that. The problem that we have right now in our in our current media structure, though, is we don't even know what is a good question or not a good question, because so little of what is discussed is actually based upon a fact. And instead of based upon and there and a narrative meeting that we have, we live in this incredible time where a story comes out whether it's what's happening in Israel, what's happening in Gaza, what's happening in Ukraine, what's happening on January 6, right and all of the media is fake LEFT, RIGHT paradigm we have in media, certain stories, transcend that all of the stories I just mentioned all magically transcend that. And what you have is it overall, the media doesn't matter if it's Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, your local TV stations, your your newspapers, Washington Post New York Times, all of them come together and have an agreed upon narrative. And then when they take that narrative, they say from this is now our agreed on starting point, this is our baseline, just asking questions is an attempt to break the baseline to say, wait a minute, but what if the baseline is not based on truth? What if the baseline is something that's untrue? So for instance, the idea that January 6, was an insurrection is a baseline that is false. And insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government. What happened on January 6 was not an attempt to overthrow the government. 99% of the people there might have been some people in the crowd. I was there, by the way. And I saw a lot of these people myself. 99% of people in that crowd had no interest in overthrowing the government. They didn't believe that the election was true. By the way, another narrative, the 2020 election, that's the election in history. Nothing wrong, nothing happened. Right? We all Americans, and Americans question it. So when you just ask questions about that. Ukraine is the most democratic nation in the world its leaders Alinsky is the rebirth of George Washington, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr. combined into one man, maybe Jesus himself. He has risen to save us all from the Soviet Union being reunited. So we must continue to give hundreds of billions of dollars to this man, we all agree is good, right? That's the baseline. And so those of us who ask questions are saying, well, wait a minute, we've got to poke some holes in the sights because because the ice that we're all standing on It's fake. Yep, underneath us, right? The floor is clogged up. And you're telling us that everything's fine. And so we're all starting from this point. And so I think that's the problem with being angry when people ask questions is the reason they feel the need for that there is no standard of truth. So when you these organizations come together, and they all agree upon a narrative, someone should have the right, or the ability, and we should all have the right and the ability to be able to say, but I have information that contradicts the claim you're making about this being the agreed upon truth. And that's what we see with so many of the stories, right, that we're talking about here, there is a different set of facts than the ones that you're presenting. And just going back again to like election integrity, which I still think is a huge story only because we're going back into another election year, when we refuse to acknowledge that there was anything wrong with any of the election. So are we going to run this this election in 2024, the exact same way, same drop boxes, same ballot boxes, same pulling boxes out from underneath tables in the middle of the night, saying, sending people home saying let's stop counting. We'll start again in the morning. We're going to do it the exact same way. Because if that's the case, we should do it the exact same way. Because we were told this was the best election we've ever had the safest, most secure, most clear and pristine election, we should run it the exact same way. Right? If that's the agreed upon set of facts, and

Brian Nichols  26:26  
here's what happens. Reporter from we'll just use NBC, for example today. Hi, I'm Reporter Brian Nichols. For NBC. I'm writing my article, senior White House official says X, Y and Z. I publish it. Who is your source senior White House official, I can't disclose my source though. CBS and ABC re syndicate my article, Brian Nichols from NBC sources, unnamed White House official saying XYZ now all of a sudden, 30 different news articles are being written about what I wrote saying a person said that now becomes the baseline right now, what have I shown, but had I presented any documents if I presented any evidence, now I'm saying, I talked to a person and this person said, but my evidence now becomes and the fact checkers, evidence now becomes well, I have 30 Publications who are all saying the same thing. Yeah, sorry, Mr. or Mrs. Citizen, I'm going to defer to the 30 Publications who, by the way, are also supported by intelligence agency budgets, but we're not going to talk about that. But we're going to go ahead and defer towards their their understanding, because they're the experts. And that's what happens. Now, we become the bad guys, when we simply are saying, yes, we need to ask questions. We were not just asking questions. We are for the first time asking questions, because if Mr. CBS journalist who was repairing my quoting of, you know, an unnamed senior official had done their freaking job and say, Hey, by the way, do you have like a quote, like an actual recording and listen to or documents or just something to back up? What he said, that would have been at least doing part of your journalistic job trying to find the real facts and present them to the audience. So

Ben Swann  28:16  
I would say that even that should not be republished even if they have the recording, what I would say is if you're not willing to go on the record, right, yeah. Vote you, you got to provide me something, a letter, a statement, a document, you got to you got to give me some kind of classified information, right? That's a good point. What's so funny is if you compare the way that mainstream networks work compared to the way, I'm gonna just throw out his name here, Julian Assange and WikiLeaks work. You know, one thing about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, in the entire history of WikiLeaks, they never had a single report or document that had to be retracted ever. You know, why? Because they didn't, they didn't quote anyone. Someone would give them documents, and they would publish them. And so then everyone was now seeing these documents or videos, or whatever the case may be that we're now released to the public. And of course, you know, governments around the world worried enraged that this stuff was out, but no one had to comment on it because it was there for itself. One of the things he's happened with, with media the way you're describing, you're exactly right, by the way on this on this game of telephone, where, you know, one publishes it and everyone else references it, then all the fact checkers come back and say, Well, this is what they're saying. And so these reputable sources all agree but all agree on what all agree I'll give you a real world example that your listeners may remember. It's a story that kind of just was like a huge story during the election, and then it just disappeared. But it was the it was the Russian bounty story. Remember this?

Brian Nichols  29:44  
Oh my god, I forgot about that. Yeah, we were paying hundreds of 1000s of dollars per American that was killed. Yeah, that was a whole thing that they brought up like, right in September, October.

Ben Swann  29:53  
Yeah, it was right before the election that that this was in 2020 2006.

Brian Nichols  29:59  
You forgot about that, Ben, I'm glad you brought it back up.

Ben Swann  30:02  
Amir Putin was was offering bounties personally on the heads of US soldiers in Afghanistan, and that they were paying these guys to come in and to to kill us soldiers. And this was quoted as having talked to intelligence officials, unnamed intelligence officials, unnamed military officials, nobody ever provided evidence of it. Nobody had examples of abounding nobody had a document that said they were going to do this don't want an example of a payoff, knowing an example of a guy who was arrested who said, Yeah, this is the money I made just when they did, they had nothing. And it became this huge scandal. And then the story became the fact that Trump knew about it and didn't do anything about it. If you think about that, in the context of all that's happened since Biden took office, leaving Afghanistan as horribly as he did. And then also what's happened with the Ukraine war and the way we now see Putin, right, you can see how they were ramping up to it. But it was a completely false story. It was completely made up. Here's the fascinating thing about that. Where is the accountability for that story? Every reporter who reported on it, every single journalist who did that should never be allowed to work again. And these guys just keep on going. It just, it just kind of dissipates into the ether. Like, okay, so you finally caught us that one wasn't true. So just move on to the next slide instead of the next one. It's a crazy system.

Brian Nichols  31:21  
Man, I wish every industry was like that. Oh, you Mr. Sales number six years in a row? Maybe we should promote you? Yeah, that's

Ben Swann  31:34  
the problem. The problem is they're not missing their sales numbers. The problem is, they're hitting their sales numbers six years in a row. Yes.

Brian Nichols  31:41  
And that is the unfortunate part. Because unfortunately, the Bs in this case sells, because, and I know we're hard pressed for time here, but I'm sorry. Um, but like, one of the things I don't know if this is because we are the ones buying it, right. So I look at, I'm trying to remove my emotional self from this and go strictly economic speaking, like, we know, it's incentive structures, incentive structures, are why people will buy the BS, I guess, in this case. So how much of it is on us? Right? Like how much of this bend is our fault for for continuing to accept this BS narrative? Except the the the snake oil paper that's being sold? Like, is it our fault? Because they wouldn't be selling it unless there was an open and willing buyer? Right.

Ben Swann  32:34  
So I used to believe that I no longer believe that I actually believe that we're not the buyer at all, the buyer, our corporate interests, and political interests and military interests, who say we're creating a system right in the system is exactly what you described. We just need you to write these stories. We need you to push off this narrative. Once you push it out. We need everyone to echo it. And then once we've echoed it, as soon as somebody challenges that we can test it, we're going to create, especially through social media, we're going to create these fact checking systems that basically attack them say, no, no, you can't question it. And while all this noise is going on, the rich get richer, corporations get more powerful. They have more houses across the United States, they take on more funds, you know, companies like BlackRock, Blackrock now has over $10 trillion in assets under management. Did you know that 10 No trillion I did with a tea, the entire GDP of the globe is about $100 trillion. So that means Blackrock controls about 10% of the entire world's economy.

Brian Nichols  33:39  
And Elon Musk is the bad guy for buying Twitter for dollars.

Ben Swann  33:43  
Yeah, it's that interesting. And so they'll they'll do that. And so what I'm saying is, they don't care about people like us, and whether we agree or disagree, all they got to do is they just got to keep their little minions stirring the pot so that we're also distracted. They just keep doing everything else. So they're doing and I think that's why like, you know, I know we're short on time, but I encourage people you know, this series that we're putting together in Ukraine, you're gonna start to watch it you think oh, this guy just hate Zelinsky it's actually not really about Solinsky at all. It's about the structures how they have gamed this system to basically destroy Ukraine and to now own it run it control it. Before this war Argentina was the world's largest holder of IMF debt the International Monetary Fund by a longshot right that's why malaise was able to take over the country and get into power right because there's such a disaster they're basically the people of Argentina are forever debt slaves, right. And that's what he's trying to fix. Ukraine is now after this war comes to an end will be far and above beyond where Argentina ever was, because everything we're giving to Ukraine, in the beginning, it was like, Oh, we got to give them these this money to help them. They're now being called loans right? So what's gonna happen when this war finally comes when at some point it will, is that Ukraine will owe for countless generations and amount of debt that could never pay back. The country's natural resources will be under the control and, and oversight of multinational corporations, companies like BlackRock and others as well. BlackRock, by the way is in charge of the of the rebuilding Ukraine fund, they have taken control of this thing. And it will be just carved up the same way that the old USSR was when all the oligarchs came to power and multinational corporations step in there, let's see even greater extent, and what I think people have to understand when they see something like this. And so what I would think would be interesting about your professor, is when you go through all of this, and you get to the end of it, what you find is, this thing isn't about freedom. It's not about democracy. It's not about saving the people of Ukraine, actually, I would argue, is my opinion, that Ukraine, just lost the war. But they didn't lose the war in Russia. They were secretly conquered by multinational corporations in the most dramatic and incredible, it's, it's incredible in two years, and they will they will literally be owned by multinational corporations. for who knows how many generates?

Brian Nichols  36:19  
I mean, then Boris Johnson literally stopped a peace agreement from happening. For what? Billions of dollars? I mean, I'm not trying to pick up my past guest here, Dr. Ginsburg. But like, he literally said, you know, hey, you know, for everybody who's upset about us, but you know, spending money overseas, a lot of that's coming right back here, the weapons manufacturers, and I'm like,

Ben Swann  36:42  
That's exactly. That's a good thing. Listen, I understand, like, like, the idea is, hey, we're not really spending that money, because it's coming back. But it's not coming back here to the people here. No, you know, our overrun borders are our homeless, incredible homeless problem that we have across this country that no national politician even wants to talk about, it's just that the problems that we have here are so vast and so wide, and sending off our own fortune, and by the way, significantly depleting the money that's coming to weapons manufacturers, or for weapons that aren't gonna be built for another five or 10 years. So what we've done in the short term is we have drastically reduced our own weapons supplies that God forbid, we end up in a real war, because we haven't had a real war since World War Two. You know, we end up in that situation, and we're kind of screwed.

Brian Nichols  37:33  
I'm waiting for the news channels to drop. They're brought to you by Pfizer, and insights gonna be brought to you by Raytheon. That's going to be the new, the new moniker is here, as we head forward, which I know we're all looking forward to Ben, we are way past time here. I'm so sorry, I kept you over. But I think this is just one of those conversations that I get a lot of value from I know the audience does, as well. So thank you for sticking around and having this this very thought out conversation that I think is the tip of the iceberg. Right? We I think we need to have more of these conversations. And to your point, I want to maybe set up an interview with you and Dr. Ginsburg, I think having a a respectful dialogue, where to your point we decide, can we agree on the facts right, can can we at least have a conversation about the facts? That's where I think a lot of this discourse is missing. And where I think frankly, we have to get out of our own way get out of the isms whether that's libertarian ism, conservatism, liberal ism, intervention, ism, all the isms out there to quote my homeboy Ferris Bueller isms, in my opinion, are not good. To quote John Lennon. I don't believe in Beatles I just believe in me, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus but it still wouldn't change the fact I'd have to bum rides off people cuz I don't have a car and seen Ferris Bueller. But that that is, in essence how I think we have to start approaching things as get rid of the ISM from the mindset of the conversation and just start talking about what is the facts? What can we at least agree on that are true, verifiable evidence based facts, and I think that will be a much better starting off point. But yeah, I'm gonna see what I can do. I'll see if I can get that conversation set up, then. This has been a great topic to discuss. Again, I think we have a lot more we can dig into but for the sake of time, do us a favor. where can folks go ahead and support the work you're doing over at truth in media? Also, where can folks go ahead and check out this brand new Docu series you're airing the rest of the story with Lera Logan?

Ben Swann  39:26  
Yeah, so again, you can go to truth in media all one word truth in media.com. Right now you can see Laura's first 10 We're working on for more for her series. And then you can see the Zelinsky unmasked series we have all the release dates that are on there so you can watch him You can also sign up for our newsletter so that we can send them to you as soon as they come out. But yeah, you can check it out at the media.com You can follow us on x at truth underscore in media and of course at Sovereign dot media.

Brian Nichols  39:51  
Love it Ben Swann, it's always a pleasure having you on the show. And with that being said, Folks if you got as much value because I know I did from today's episode, please Go ahead and give it a share when you do tag yours truly at be nickels Liberty you can find me on x.com as well as on Facebook sovereign and all those other good good locations when it sovereign every single episode just so you know. But where can folks go ahead support you if they want to continue the conversation? Yeah, you

Ben Swann  40:18  
can follow me on on X it's been underscore. Ben Swann underscore F it is I guess these underscores messed me up on Instagram you can follow me there as well I'm, we're still heavily censored about anything that's meta oriented. You can follow me there. But you know, X right now is a pretty good one because you get a lot more bang for your buck. Hopefully, Ilan keeps it that way. But please, actually get into the media. And

Brian Nichols  40:40  
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Ben Swann  42:39  
Guys, appreciate your time. Every time I'm happy to come back anytime I love it, man

Brian Nichols  42:43  
open invite and folks, we'll make sure we have that part two conversation set up. Yeah, go check out the episode with Dr. Ginsburg. If you didn't he aired right here before our conversation with Ben. So go ahead and give that some love. And with that being said, thank you for joining us. Brian Nichols signing off here for Ben Swann. We'll see you next time.

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