827: The TSA of the Internet - Why Online ID Requirements WON'T WORK

Brian Nichols  0:26  
Could laws supposed to be protecting kids online actually lead to massive privacy violations and unconstitutional restrictions on free speech for millions of Americans? Yeah, let's talk about that. Instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Well, hey there, folks, Brian Nichols here on The Brian Nichols Show. Thank you for joining us on of course, another fun filled episode. I am as always your humble host joining you from our lovely cardio miracle Studios here in eastern Indiana. The Brian Nichols Show is powered by amp America very excited to be part of the amp America team. I just want a banger over on IP america.com. I take our friends over at reason magazine to task why are they attacking our good friend, Javier Milady new libertarian President of Argentina he's not libertarian enough heard that argument before I go ahead and refute that line by line pretty much in my brand new opinion article over at amp America. Go ahead and check that out. Plus dozens of other articles from news opinion pieces and more over at amp america.com. And also The Brian Nichols Show, and frankly, yours truly powered by cardio miracle they are our studio sponsor. And folks, I've said it time and again, the cardio miracle difference is 1,000% 10,000% real. I've been using cardio miracle now for well over half a year. And folks, I've seen the difference. For myself. Now cardio miracle is a phenomenal supplement with a secret ingredient. Okay? It's not that secret. It's a Nobel Prize winning ingredient called nitric oxide. And what it does is helps improve the blood flow from your blood vessels to your heart, you know, the important thing there your ticker keeping you going so if you want to improve your heart health, better pump at the gym had better night's sleep, why not go ahead and lower the blood pressure along the way all those amazing, amazing benefits of the cardio miracle experience. And I've seen those benefits for myself. My doctor was pretty happy last time I went there saying Brian, your blood pressure is the best. It's been pretty much ever What are you doing? And I said, Well, I'm doing cardio Miracle Morning, and night. So folks, if you want to join yours truly plus the 10s of 1000s of other folks out there who are experiencing the cardio miracle difference. Well, all you got to do if you're watching us here on the video version of the show, head down below into the description, click the link or go simply to the Brian Nichols show.com right there on the homepage, our good friends cardio miracle, click that link, and you'll save 15% off your order. Now, if you didn't click a link and you just go to cardio miracle.com Well don't miss out on the 15% off use code DBNS. At checkout, they'll make sure that that discount is applied. And if you're on the fence, you're like Brian, this sounds good. But I don't know just sounds like it's too good to be true. Well don't worry, you have a 100% money back guarantee so you actually have nothing to lose besides what the sleepless nights the baby pumped at the gym and the high blood pressure. So go ahead take part in the cardio miracle journey today. Head over to cardio miracle.com and enjoy the best heart health supplement in the world. I guarantee your heart will thank you. All right, folks, your heart will thank you but will your kids thank you if you go ahead and play the role of mom or dad taking them off the internet. Well, you know what, I'm sorry, you kind of gotta be a parent in this case because otherwise, mommy daddy government is trying to play the role of parent to talk to us about why that maybe isn't a good idea returning to The Brian Nichols Show. Once again, Carl Zevo Welcome to the program. How you doing my friend?

Carl Szabo  4:09  
You know pretty good I'm clearly not as amped up as you are but try I will try to match the excitement level for you.

Brian Nichols  4:18  
It's the cardio miracle Come on, Carl let's go on just it's always

Carl Szabo  4:22  
there not been a fast and furious joke in there with the nitrous oxide. Like it worked for Vin Diesel hitting the doors I mean

Brian Nichols  4:30  
I got I got to do that I gotta hit the NAS now I got I did get corrected on the episode with the CEO of cardio miracle I said nitric oxide he said no no nitric oxide there's a difference is not the one that powers the car the one that powers the heart nice okay well

Speaker 1  4:45  
there goes my Fast and Furious joke thanks appreciate it

Brian Nichols  4:49  
same church different pew Carl I'm okay with it. I thought it was funny I made the joke myself but who all these scientists are like come on use the use the elements properly but that's a different conversation. And for a different day, Carl, welcome back to the show what's been going on in the world of Carl Zevo?

Carl Szabo  5:04  
You know, you know, took the kids to Florida, we're on spring break, Easter, you know, all over the place. But that kind of gets to the exact thing we're talking about here being a parent and being around and you were talking about, you know, your kids being upset with you for instilling rules? Well, you know it a little secret that we probably didn't appreciate when we were kids. But creating rules creating boundaries, telling your kids No, shows them actually the you love them? Yes, it does. It shows that I love you so much, that I will prevent you from doing something that you want to do, because I care about you that much. Parents who just kind of hand off a, in this case, cellphone to a kid, and then be surprised when bad stuff happens really shouldn't be. I mean, I wouldn't do that with basically anything. I mean, I wouldn't hand them a board game and expect them not to destroy it necessarily. But and similarly, you can hand them anything without going over rules, going over restrictions, setting boundaries and guidelines. And that is a role for parents, parents can never be replaced. And unfortunately, we're seeing a lot of well, well intentioned lawmakers, but really bad idea Good legislators tried to replace parents with government or try to replace parents with social media. And both are wrong, because at the end of the day, there is no replacement for parents. And we need to be the change we want to see in our kids lives.

Brian Nichols  6:36  
Here. Here. Well, and Carl, I mean, this isn't a left Team Blue or a left team. Yeah, a left side right side, Red Team Blue Team argument. This is something we've seen across the board. Last time you were on the show. Oh, goodness. I mean, she's just one of the most screechie members of Congress, Elizabeth Warren, we are talking about her in quite a bit of detail. And talking about how Yeah, Elizabeth Warren thinks that she knows best for us. And very much in this like parental mentality. But on the right side of the aisle, we're seeing this exact same mindset, rear its ugly head into the discourse, as we're talking about kids today. And I mean, let's just go right down to the state that you're hanging out in right now down in Florida. It's a perfect case study to look at where Governor Ron DeSantis just signed into into law, a bill that would prohibit kids from the ages of 14 and below from going on these different social media sites unless they had explicit permission from the parent. Now, that sounds great right now, just anybody reading that or hearing that they're like, what's the problem there? Carl, I'll let you answer that question. What's the problem there? This sounds great.

Carl Szabo  7:44  
Yeah, nothing sounds greater than ID for the Internet, which is actually something that Governor DeSantis campaigned against. When Nikki Haley, kind of put that trial balloon into the, into the ecosystem. So what we're talking about is essentially ID for the internet, and you're like, oh, Carl, you're crazy. This is all about protecting kids. I'm not under 14, or I'm not a parent. So why should I care? Well, you should realize that anytime you go to the store to buy, for example, what did they do? They will check your ID. And why do they do that? Well, they have to make darn sure that you are over the age of 21. And the same is true for the social media laws. If you tried to sign up for a social media account, and you are, let's say 41, not 14, they kind of check your ID, they gotta make sure that you are who you say you are, and that you are the age that you say you are. And this is much, much more than just the usual age verification boxes that we see all the time where we say we're born in like 1927 Just give me access. No, they need perfect information. Because it is strict liability websites and social media platforms can't get it wrong, because if they do, the government will come down on them like a ton of bricks. So they will be collecting our most sensitive information, driver's license numbers, Social Security, numbers, passports, picture identification, because at the end of the day, the old adage of on the internet, no one knows you're a dog holds true. And on the internet, no one knows that you're let's say that I'm over 40 Because that was that's close enough. without me being able to prove it with video evidence, holding an ID looking into a camera. And that is a dangerous thing. Because while you may think it's okay to have your perfect identity on some sites, it's gonna be really scary. Imagine a government decides to go after every single person who posted on truth social well, now they don't have to guess who that is. They'll have a cache of personal information so they can begin kicking in doors as soon as they want.

Brian Nichols  9:52  
Scary stuff, man like now there's some folks I can guarantee in the audience. They're hearing this and they're like, Well, I see certain ads applications for this. And heck, I'll give you a real life application I, in my day job, I lead a a sales team in the greater contact center software space. And one of the things that we see in our space that's actually sought after quite a bit specifically, in any world where you're making in taking payments, or specifically, in this case, credit unions, banks, where you're trying to access important account information. We have technology in place where let's say, Carl, you call into a Customer Support Center, and you're on the phone with Beverly and Beverly is like, okay, Carl, we just need to confirm your identity really quick. And then you can literally in real time, hold your ID up to your phone and Beverley can confirm it to you real time on that call now, in that context. Okay, that makes sense, right? You're calling into a bank got to make sure that, you know, John Doe over in Uruguay is not trying to take over your account, we get it. But when we're talking about kids, or heck, anyone trying to access a freaking social media website, right, like just to go on to Facebook and play Farmville? Do people still play Farmville? Probably not. But like if that was the approach that you needed to take. And just to access that, I'm sorry, you gotta go through social security card, you know, we need to have your birth certificate, we got to have your driver's license, can we have your most recent pay stubs? Like that's, that's where I feel that this is starting to, to head towards? And yeah, it makes sense in certain areas. But is this really an effective use of government powers? Or heck, Carl, is this just a matter of government saying dammit, Mom and Dad do your job, or we're going to do it for you.

Carl Szabo  11:39  
So there's a lot there. So first of all, let's not confuse the possibility of something to be done with whether it should be done. So if I'm going, if I want to access my bank account, and they need to verify it's me, that's one thing. I can keep my money under the mattress if I want. But now, we are talking about ID and verification just to speak, just to hear just to read. That's really scary. If I want to walk up to a newspaper kiosk and put into a quarter and take out a newspaper, there's no ID check in there, I can just go and read it, I want to go to library and pick a book off the shelf and go and read it. I can pay in cash and Barnes and Noble. But once you begin forcing people to hand over information, and handover information that is potentially accessible by the government. Now you're talking about chilling free speech, because just think about all the websites you visited in the past week, I guarantee that there's at least one or two somewhere that if somebody saw it, they could make a lot of hay out of it, they can make you look really, really bad. They can tell your employer or future employer, hey, Jimbo Jones went to this website, you may not want to hire that guy. And that's what we call chilling of free speech. And that's exactly what we're talking about. If you want to go out and speak out against the administration, you might not do that anymore. Because now the government knows who you are. So really quick. I just got out. Yeah,

Brian Nichols  13:08  
I got to add this in, right. For anybody listening who's like, they would never do that. Do we got to rewind four years? cuz I'll do it. I'll go back four years, even though I don't want to when we sat down and my Governor back in Pennsylvania was saying who's essential and who's non essential. And then online looking to see who's promoting misinformation disinformation. Now information, you don't think that the government officials would would have loved to have a true database of every single person who was daring to question the official narratives like that is literally why we're having this conversation.

Carl Szabo  13:48  
I mean, we had the disinformation governance board less than a year ago, remember, they were going to go to people's houses and just kind of educate them on what the correct narrative is. I mean, that's that's some scary stuff. But at the end of the day, what are we trying to do here? What's the purpose of this law? Is it to verify people on the line? No, of course not. It is to, quote protect children. Now let's look to see is collecting all the sensitive information on minors going to be protecting of children? Absolutely not a federal judge. I'm in California, because there's similar to a law that was enacted out in California where you had to do it for the internet for anyone under the age of 18. Federal Judge, I think it was a Clinton appointed judge. And he actually looked at the law and said, Wait a minute, wait a minute, for saying the collection of the most sensitive information about children seems to go against our desire to protect the privacy of children. So are we really advancing a legitimate governmental interest by mandating this level of collection this level of information and that was just to look at whether it can be done with minors. You Now the Florida law actually goes further to make it even more complicated, something similar to what we saw in Ohio, where my company naturally brought a suit and got that law block. And that involves parental verification. So parental verification is actually really, really, really, really, really hard. There are daytime TV shows dedicated to, is it the dad or not? When it comes to parental verification and guardians, it's even harder. And that's because you can't look at last name. There are a lot of Smith's out there, you can look at birth certificates, because people get put up for adoption, people get divorce adopted all these things. So how do you verify that I am the guardian of my children, you have to first of all, perfectly verify them, you then have to perfectly verify me. And then you need something some record, which I don't know where they exist to verify that I am the Guardian, because I'll give you a simple example from my life. My son's friend, his dad is overseas serving his mom kind of went AWOL. And now the sons grandparents raising him. But the sons grandparents are not the legal guardians. So they could not give the consent necessary. So once again, just in the real world, we're having difficulty identifying guardians and legal guardians. And now you're asking somebody sitting in Silicon Valley to figure that out? Absolutely not. So at the end of the day, look, I appreciate the the underlying desire we have to protect kids. However, trying to replace parents with government, or trying to replace parents with Silicon Valley is not the answer. At the end of the day, you can not replace parents. So what can you do? What can you do? Florida, ironically, as a nation leader, along with the state of Virginia, in requiring digital education in schools as part of the course curriculum. So now every Florida student is receiving an education in digital wellness, digital, online privacy, digital online security. And that information is required by law to be made available to parents, because heck, we can use that information as well. That's a solution. That's a way to deal with it. Another thing is at net choice, we created the shield campaign where we're actually working with state attorneys, generals, and parents to provide tools and education have the tools available to them right now. So that they can decide what websites their kids can access and what websites their kids can't access. And these tools are available through ISPs, internet service providers, or the wireless providers, and making parents aware of those tools. And then at the end of the day, parents need to be parents. If you don't want your kid on a site or service, you need to have a conversation. And it's not gonna be a fun conversation. But it's an important conversation. If you don't want your kids to be on devices at the dinner table. You can't be on devices at the dinner table. Because remember, the kids want to be just like us, I want to be like Mom, I want to be like dad. And if they see us on our device all the time. They want to be on their device all the time. So it's tough. Being a parent is tough. And that's job we sign up for. And we can't expect the government or Silicon Valley to do it for us. Yeah, that's something like

Brian Nichols  18:17  
Ryan Holiday daily dad stuff right there, like the kids will become you. They're watching what you do. One of the quotes, he says is to say, do you see us do that? Right? And if the kids are like, yeah, when we're at dinner, you're literally on your phone all the time. Yeah, they're gonna be little copycats. That's what kids do. They are a little mini us. But let me do this. Carl. Right. Let me put on your I'll turn my head around going to be the official, the official alternative voice? That's

Speaker 1  18:47  
your official hat when it when the British got it? Okay.

Brian Nichols  18:51  
That's right. Good ideas don't require force hat. But I'm going to ask you to require for us in this make believe world right now. And that is let's let's steal man the argument. And from the other side of the argument? Well, Carl, at the very least this is stopping kids from much like let's say it was you know, the the the 21 year old drinking age, right? Well, it's stopping 17 1615 year olds from wanting to go to the liquor store and take it take part in this or trying to use a fake ID at those younger ages. Because if the alcohol drinking age was at 18, they'd be going in younger, like, do you see that being an argument that even has the tiniest bit of merit, or do you think that much like we've been articulating today, that really just comes down to parents being parents and parenting?

Carl Szabo  19:44  
So twofold. One is the legal argument. So you do not have a constitutional right to access alcohol. You do not have the constitutional right to access cigarettes. You do have a constitutional right to speak. The First Amendment here Marquis that, and we've seen time and time again, US Supreme Courts uphold the constitutional rights for even children. As much as we may not like it or parents may not want it. The First Amendment does not say it applies to only citizens over 18. It says it applies to all Americans. And there was an instance about 20 years ago when video game violence was the issue. Detroit was the pearl clutching issue. And the state of California enacted a law that made it illegal for video game sellers to sell a video game that is, quote, dangerous or violent to minors. And that went all the way up to the Supreme Court. And I think it was seven, two or nine no decision, Scalia and Ginsburg both in the majority saying no, that is violating both the First Amendment rights of the video game makers and the First Amendment rights of the people under the age of 18. To access that information. Same thing is true with social media, as much as parents or lawmakers may not want to allow access to information or the freedom to speak. It still applies. question the question? Yes.

Brian Nichols  21:09  
What about the big one? pornography, right that and that's been a whole, a whole different topic we've seen, especially with the just the readily available illness of sites like like Pornhub, for example, where heck a 13 year old if they have a phone, this guy go to a website? Right? So what about situations like that where we do already have some some certain parameters in place to prevent those those literal children from from accessing content like this? And then let me add a little bit of a little bit more context to this. And how do we maybe correlate this into, you know, what kids are seeing in their public schools now for different books that are being put into schools? Like, is there? Is there a fine line here, when we're starting to get into material that is quite literally damaging to kids, specifically, when we're going into the world of, of sexual deviancy and the likes?

Carl Szabo  22:06  
Yeah, and I'll give you the lawyer answer and the law restaurants. Love it. So so let's let's look at the issue of pornography. Constitutionally protected. Obscenity is not and so I made some very pedantic when I make this distinction, but it's an important distinction. obscenity, the US Supreme Court famously said, I know it when I see it, and it's something that is violates your interests, it's got a whole an effect of Miller tests, marketing necessarily get into it. But okay, we want to protect kids from pornography, let's just assume that's the basis that we're doing. This law that got passed in Florida has absolutely nothing to do with that, because it only applies to social media platforms. So if you run a pornographic website, doesn't apply to you, it's not gonna prevent kids from accessing it. So right then in there, these laws are not achieving that goal. Now, there is an approach that has kind of taken hold a number of states across the country, Virginia, Texas, Montana, Utah, Louisiana, Arkansas. And what it does is for pornographic websites where they have a substantial portion of pornographic material, they're required to verify that the user is over the age of 18 and Pornhub challenge that the law in Texas, and it was actually upheld by the Fifth Circuit Court just couple weeks ago. So that's at least a different approach that if the concern is pornography, going to the source, kind of like saying, when you go into the supermarket, if they sell alcohol in your neighborhood, checking and ID at the door of everybody going into the supermarket, because they might access or might want to purchase alcohol? Well, no, of course, we don't do that. You do it only at the point of when they're trying to actually make that purchase. Maybe they're just going in to buy toothpaste or something innocuous. So if that's the problem we're trying to solve, that's a very different conversation. And we're already seeing a number of states across the country, enact laws that apply to the porn, a pornographer, but not painting with a broad brush to ban all access to information, regardless of its scientific or artistic or societal values. And so that's kind of the difference we're seeing between this narrow, targeted approach on a specific harm that they are trying to stop. And this broad brush approach that we're seeing in states like Florida recently. All

Brian Nichols  24:38  
right, I got my normal host hat back on we're we're back to normal. I'm not going to play devil's advocate.

Carl Szabo  24:42  
Yeah. Back to normal. Yeah, that's right. So I loves devil's advocate, because it's important to recognize that these lawmakers aren't doing this because because of malice or some some, you know, complete hatred or something like that. They we all want to do something that's Right. And that's why I'm going in talking with the state lawmakers all the time. That's why my company mychoice is doing these things, because an unconstitutional law protects zero kids. And that's where we're seeing California, Arkansas, Ohio, Utah enacted laws that are just blatantly unconstitutional. And you know how many kids they prevented with them zero. So let's do something that actually works.

Brian Nichols  25:22  
It's just like the TSA feels like. But I mean, Carl, and you, you tease that here, this is going towards where my final thoughts are going. And that's, you know, we look at this. And I think, in the more right hand side of the political aisle, we do look at folks in government, with that nefarious lens with those ill intentions. And to your point, I think we do have to take a step back every now and then, and just acknowledge the elephant in the room that more often than not, these people are just they do have good intentions. Maybe not all of them, but certain individuals have good intentions. And they look at government as the best means to solving those problems. Right. And, and that right, there is where I think we on the right hand side of the aisle, instead of just complaining about this, we have an opportunity, and that is to to offer those solutions, without saying here's government to help enact that solution. Right. So how can we bring solutions in the private sector, right or just overtly outside of the realm of government to the areas that they need to be brought to? And actually fix it? Right, what you're doing at net choice? Heck, what I'm doing in the contact center space, like could you imagine, here, we don't have to imagine, imagine a situation where the government is trying to get you to have a situation where Apple and Android are on equal playing field because they've ruled against iPhone and Apple from being a quote unquote, monopoly or something in that world by saying, like, the poor Android users, they have a worse experience because they don't get a text message that comes through normally like it doesn't iPhone users. That's not an argument. That's not an argument. So like, what if, like, the Android users out there, were able to create a solution that made it so it could seamlessly interact with iPhones, heck, that might already be out there. I don't know. Because I really don't care. But it's,

Carl Szabo  27:17  
it's called WhatsApp. Or it's called signal, or it's called one of the bajillion different messaging services. And that's the point, right?

Brian Nichols  27:27  
We have solutions, we have to do a better job of selling those solutions. Because for every solution that we do a bad job at selling there is someone who is trying to solve that problem by leveraging government. So I think it's on us. And thank God for folks like you, Carl, who are actually going out and building these solutions, particularly when it comes to sometimes very hard to put your finger on topics like internet privacy and access for children, right? Like, this starts to get into the weeds. Your average person, your average parent maybe looks at this and says, I don't know what I can do, like, yeah, I have a cell phone for my kid. But like I don't, I'm not techie, I don't know how to make it so they can't access certain things. That's where the free market comes into play. That's where good ideas that don't require force come into play. Because we have not just the solutions, but we have the drive, we have the know how and we have the means to make these these solutions exist. Without saying Mommy, Daddy, government, please come help. So that's my final thoughts for today. You know, Cara, let's build these solutions, and really start playing the role of parent and avoid the government playing the role of parent. That's my final thoughts. What do you have for us on your end?

Carl Szabo  28:40  
Yeah, I mean, quick, simple tips for parents out there, right? One, if you don't want your kids on devices late at night, have had them, charge them in the kitchen at night. Or they have to charge them in your room at night. That way they can have the devices, have conversations with your kids, let's give education a chance. You know, Florida and Virginia are doing that. But at the end of the day, we have to be the change we want to see in our kids. If you want your kids to interact with you, rather than looking at a device you have to interact with your kids without looking at a device. When they say Mommy, Daddy, come spend time with me and you say no, I'd rather do that and scroll through some social media. They're gonna want to do that when they're when they're grown up. So let's do that. Before we turn to government to try and become our parent, because at the end of the day, we know what's best for our kids and our families better than any government entity better than any social media ever will. So we got to be the ones responsible. Parents can do it. And anyone who says the parents are too weak to dumb or don't know it. Shame on them because parents have been parenting since the dawn of man. It

Brian Nichols  29:56  
is literally the oldest profession in the book and I officially have that job. It's pretty cool. Not gonna lie. All right, Carl, we are unfortunately at the part of the show where we must wrap up and say goodbye. And also I want to get you back to enjoying the the celebration of Easter with your family down in the lovely state of Florida. So with that being said, I want to thank you for rejoining the show today. Thank you to the audience for joining the show today. And with that being said, Carl, I mean, the audience, they're gonna go ahead and give this episode a share. I know they are and I want them to be able to go ahead and tag you reach out to you support the work you're doing. So where can folks go ahead and continue this conversation?

Carl Szabo  30:36  
Yeah, you absolutely need to like follow and subscribe at Carl's Zevo on X, CA, RL, s, z, a BS and boy, it was in October. And you can follow what we're doing at net choice. Lead choice on X ne, T. Ch. O ice. And check us out at our website. Net choice.org.

Brian Nichols  30:56  
Love it links in the show notes. Carl. It's been a pleasure. By the way. Folks, if you are joining us on the video version of the show, stick around right about here you're going to be seeing a video pop up. That's going to be the video last time Carl was on the show where we talked about Elizabeth Warren trying to play mommy government in this case, and specifically, we talked about her trying to help defuse the sprint I must said sprint spirit and JetBlue mergers plus a Duff a bunch of different areas that Elizabeth Warren is trying to get the the government's fingers into. So please go ahead and check out that episode. And for today's episode. Again, like I said, you can find us on your favorite video platform YouTube rumble, Ben Swan sovereign Facebook as well as x.com. And like I said, if you are joining us on the YouTubes or on the rumbles first of all, hit that subscribe button and little notification bell so you miss a single time we have a new episode drop. But also we want to hear your thoughts if you're a parent or if you're going to be a parent. Or heck, if you're a teacher or a you know someone who deals with kids. We want to hear your thoughts. So head down below into the comments. Let us know what you think is this, in fact an appropriate way to deal with kids accessing not so good stuff on the internet? Or do you believe as Carl and I do that parents are the best means of actually dealing with that when parents play the role of parents let us know your thoughts down below. Also, if you are joining us on the podcast version of the show, well thank you for listening. You can find us if you are not listening on the podcast version, wherever it is you consume your podcasts, Apple podcast, Spotify, YouTube music, wherever it may be, just do me a favor, hit subscribe and also hit download all unplayed episodes. And here's the reason it's gonna be a little overwhelming. I can guarantee that because we have over 825 episodes here, The Brian Nichols Show, but the reason you want to check them out is because we have amazing guests like Carl here on the show every single week, three times a week, and I guarantee if you get some value from today's episode, you're gonna get some value from those other episodes. I know I hear from folks, they end up leaving these episodes feeling pretty educated, enlightened and informed. That's all we have for you today. Actually, one last note and that is to please go ahead and support the folks who support The Brian Nichols Show. That's our sponsors. So cardio miracle, our brand new sponsor, the wellness company, plus we have some of our good old favorites like evil CBD liquid freedom, energy, tea and more. So please go ahead and give them some love and I teased it earlier I have a brand new banger of an article out over at amp America questioning why our so called libertarian websites like reason unreasonably attacking the only libertarian President out there in one Argentinian Javier Molay. Go ahead and check that article out over amp America or if you're joining us again, here on The Brian Nichols Show link will be in the show notes. That's all we have for you Brian co signing off here on The Brian Nichols Show for Carl Zevo. We'll see you next time.

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