790: How is TikTok Shaping Gen Z's Ideology?

Brian Nichols  
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Olivia Rondeau  
Thank you so much for having me. I'm happy to be back.

Brian Nichols  
Great to have you. You've been doing a lot since you were last on the show. Let's see you recently joined Breitbart. You have your podcast on indoctrination. Yeah, sorry. There you go. When you haven't found the time to asleep, I'm curious where you have the time do all this new stuff, huh?

Olivia Rondeau  
Well, it's rough. I'm actually cutting into my bedtime right now. And just kidding. So it's actually not too bad. I think I finally found the balance and I guess last year was like my roughest year trying to find like the work life you know, social time balance, but I finally got it down. So have time to come on your your your lowly podcast, you know from my high tower. So

Brian Nichols  
indeed, Olivia, let's dig into the fun stuff today is when people show up right to listen to the back and forth. And and specifically in the conversation we want to outline today progressive Gen Z are so let's kind of kick things off, right. And this isn't just Gen Z, or as I guess I'm picking on them because they are the young generation is voting right now. But you saw this in millennials, we see this in Gen Z or Z tech, we're gonna see it, we are starting to see it with Gen alpha, the generation after Gen Z. So Olivia, you're you're not just working in this space. I know you do a lot of work talking about how, you know, we look at the social issues as it pertains to the younger generations. But you also just went through That's right, you're in your low, mid 20s. So you just kind of went through what a lot of the Gen Zers had been going through are going to be going through. So just kind of give us a little bit the groundwork. Where do you see, we've gotten so far off the beaten path when it comes to so many young folk being open to these progressive left leaning ideas.

Olivia Rondeau  
It's so crazy for me to witness this as kind of like an older Zoomer because I talked about how I kind of went through this transformation or indoctrination, you know, kind of why I named my podcast indoctrination. But about 10 years ago, when I was in, like my early tweens, teen years on Tumblr, and you know, that was kind of notorious for being the birthplace for a lot of the left wing activism and Marxism within people within my age group. So this is where I was introduced to transgender ideology and non binary ism and pronouns, and Donald Trump as a racist. Like, that's where I was introduced to all those ideas. Thankfully, my face was very short lived. I was, I was my freshman year of high school when the like Donald Trump announced he was running for president. And during that time, it was a very hyperpolarized issue, obviously online too. And in real life, I mean, I remember when he was elected and kids my high school were literally crying real tears in the hallway at school. So at that time for me to see it and I was kind of a new conservative at this moment, because Trump was a little bit I guess, the catalyst for me to actually get Explore conservative ideas and beliefs and say, Oh my God, I don't actually have to fit into this box as a Zoomer as a black woman. So, but to see that fast forward 10 years to now work Tik Tok is a guarantee. It's like 100 times worse than Tumblr guys. And when I talked about my story to, you know, Gen X and Boomers, and even elder millennials who weren't really popular back in the day, they're like, Oh, my God, it sounds so crazy and indoctrinating, they don't even know that half that when it comes to tick tock, they really don't. Because the way that the algorithm is the way that and I've seen this happen countless times the way that way the boxing fight rolling over disagreements of political opinion on tick tock like never before, we talked about getting ratioed on Twitter, or getting like cancelled on tumblr and other social media platforms back in the day, tick tock is a whole new beast, tick tock this whole new beat because the way the algorithm works is, somebody makes a statement, let's say somebody makes a pro Israel statement, whether I agree with or not, it should be allowed to be on the platform, you would think somebody makes a pro Israel statement, the way the algorithm works is it will push it into the feet of let's say, a bunch of anti Israel creators. Okay, so far, that's alright. But what it will do is give the ability to these critters to stitch these videos like kind of in a duet type of sense and sick all their millions and millions and millions of followers on this creator. And it's kind of it's almost beyond canceling because there's no redemption for these people. You don't want to change their mind. It's just like social death, the want to almost kill these people in terms of walking through society, you want to absolutely remove them from their schools, their jobs, and so on, so forth. And so it's scary to me because I used to get in arguments and stuff on my little anonymous Tumblr page back in the day, but now these people, it's like teenagers, 12 year old 13 year olds, Doxon people finding their schools, their employers on Tik Tok, and it's all pushed in the algorithm. And you know, it's just very much encouraged by these older creators who are around my age. You know, they're the older Zoomers who are kind of like having these armies of younger Zoomers and Gen Alpha just do their bidding. And it just seems impossible. If I was on a if I was a tick tock leftist kids that I may not have ever gotten out of that, you know, Tumblr mindset, because there's just way more pressure and people really don't understand because, I mean, millennials and Gen X, of course, they grew up with fads and even boomers, they're all hippie dippie liberals back in the day. But these fads and trends were pushed by 1000s and 1000s of people attacking you on social media, you may have gotten into disagreements or even physical altercations in real life over a handful of times. But when people are sending like bomb threats to your house and to your school over a disagreement on tick tock, why would you ever change? Why would you ever break out of that cycle? So I'm actually very frightened for Gen alpha. And you know, we're already seeing the effects. The reason I brought up the Israel Palestinian thing is because I think we're seeing the most polarization. It's kind of like when I was at that age, it was the 2016 election. Now it's Israel versus Palestine. And I just wrote a new story the other day for Breitbart about how a pro Israel teacher in New York City public school had to be barricaded in her classroom after a riot broke out because students found her personal Facebook where she had posted her attending a pro Israel rally. And these are in the posts. Were like the kids were recording videos, I posted them on Tik Tok, like, look at us terrorizing our teacher. Like they were proud of it. And 1000s and 1000s of comments were like, Yes, I'm so proud of this generation. We're gonna get Israel we're gonna get all these Israel teachers out of here. It was insane. But that's the narrative and that's the, the the message that's being pushed by the algorithm.

Brian Nichols  
And you have all your friends I say friends very loosely, all these people, basically reaffirming what you think is real, right? What you're in your group thinking you're a little bubble, that you're you're you're regurgitating, because this is what everybody else is saying. And you said something Olivia, I wrote it down. Gone are the days of social justice and now welcome the days of social death if you don't toe the line, good luck, right? And it's not just like, oh, you know, you're a bad person canceled culture. This is to your point, bomb threats, death threats, calling their places of work and trying to get them fired. This is no this is harassment right? This is like this is This has gone far past speech, in many instances. And now we're we're starting to toe into the violent side of things. And that's where it gets really spooky. Because to your point, there was an area for you to find some redemption, right there was an area for you to ask some questions, and and thankfully get some different answers outside of your bubble. But based on what you just kind of outlined with not just Tumblr Were back in the day, but now specifically tick tock and you look at how the algorithms play such an important role in determining not just what you see, but what you will be engaging with. It funnels people more and more towards these hyper aggressive types of mentality that now we're seeing are drifting into the world of violence. So, I guess you know, you look at all that Olivia, and any average person I'm sure listening to this podcast, they're probably a little bit a little bit of scared because it's like, well, what do you do then? What you don't just go turn off Tik Tok? Or do you? Do you don't just go and get rid of all these government colleges that are out there being propped up by taxpayer dollars? Or do you right, so So I guess, you know, to your average person, they hear this big problem, they don't really see the solution, though. So in your kind of your world of living through this also, but obviously, your your con commentating on this, Olivia, what would be kind of your perspective of how we can not necessarily, like get rid of this problem, but try to best address it with the tools that we have. So

Olivia Rondeau  
I'm gonna direct this, I guess two different messages to two different different groups of people, one for the people, the teens, and the kids who find themselves in this predicament and one for the parents. So to fellow Gen Zers. And younger to the Jenner. I don't know if any generation alpha, I don't know if you've got an eight year olds listening to this, but any parents possibly this is this one's for the Gen Zers. If you find yourself in this predicament like I did, when I was like ostracized by my peers in school, and this was, you know, again, during the 2016 election, I was even kicked out of the Black Student Union at my school at this time, and I went to like a majority white school like, and there was maybe like 30, black kid, every single one of those in black that union. So I kind of joined it to like make black friends and like just have that sense of community or whatever. But there really was none. And so I would say that it's not worth finding your community or finding your tribe or you know, whatever that may mean for you if it means compromising on your beliefs, or being told to shut up and sit down when it comes to speaking up for what you believe in. So whether that's pro Palestinian pro Israel, whether that's conservative or liberal, or leftist or whatnot, I just think it's not worth compromising. If that means you know, losing friends, because Are those your friends really in the first place? Or especially for tick tock or internet cloud? If you don't want to be inundated with 1000s and 1000s of hate comments? I totally get that. But I think there also is something to be said for being proud and being that beacon of light for somebody else, because I have had countless teens and young adults say to me over the years, like thank you for speaking out about this, especially when I was doing activism while in college. Just because so many people don't have that privilege to be able to, you know, use their version that right, you know, speak their minds, truly. So I would say if you have the opportunity, please do if you can, and don't do it if it's like somebody pushing you to lean cert one way or the other. And then for the parents, I will absolutely say Don't let your kids on Tik Tok, especially if they're like under 16 I really don't think kids really have a smartphone. I think it's ridiculous. I see nine year olds walking around with iPads, iPhones, and the newest ones at that they have nicer phones than I do. I think it's ridiculous. And I've seen this trend going around where it's not political related, but I think it's really indicative of how these almost weird kind of adult defied our children because there's a trend going around on Instagram and Tiktok where mothers are reading their like, tween agers, you know, like nine to 12 years old, a Christmas list, and they're all asking for things that are like aren't Don't you all what toys anymore, they're all asking for like iPads, they're all asking for expensive makeup and skincare brands I would have never known as a nine year old and it just goes to show how they're all these influences you know other be a beauty influencer or like a YouTuber or a gaming influencer or something. They're just being introduced to like all these things that teenagers would care about at a very young age. And so when they actually become teenagers, then they're even more adult to fight and even more adult defied. And we just shouldn't be putting the responsibility on kids or teenagers to want all these things or to have all these opinions and beliefs and transform them into little social activists. And I just really caution against giving your kids access to social media, because I know how it really poisoned my mind at a young age before social media really, really took off. Like, I didn't even have like Instagram or Snapchat until I was in high school. And that's still really poisoned my mind. So I would just really advise against it.

Brian Nichols  
And like Olivia, so we're not too far apart in our ages, but I'm old, I'm old. But even back when I was in high school, like that's when, okay, now I am an old man. That's when social media was just coming out. Right? So we had MySpace, we had Facebook, but it was so different, right? Like my MySpace was, it's eight of your friends. And you're like you align how they would prioritize And your friend list and then you'd have your music that would start on your profile. And it was really just like your profile was an expression of who you were. And And now your profile is an expression of your causes, right? Like what you believe in what, what you're going out for some social and

Olivia Rondeau  
who others want you to be because it's very much less private, because I'm assuming your might, you weren't like a MySpace, viral influencer. And I'm assuming most people on MySpace and Facebook back in the day, this was before the age of like major, major influencers and social media celebrities, people who became famous dropped off of social media. I mean, there was like, Jeffree Star back in the MySpace days, but that was like one of the very few and that's why he was you know, notable. And now it's easy for the algorithm on tick tock, especially to pick up a random video and make it go super viral. And I've talked about how I feel like I became kind of an overnight influencer on Twitter because I had one tweet when I was 17. go viral, and I gained like, 10,000 followers overnight. So one day I had about 200 followers the next day, I had 10k. But these kids are gaining, like 10 times that amount of followers overnight, they're getting millions of views overnight, and suddenly they're locked into a space where they can make money off their videos. If only you say the right thing. You can gain popularity and clout and love and influence from your videos, but only if you say the right thing. So it's just so much more responsibility than even I had. And I feel like I had almost too much responsibility as a 17 year old who was like Loki, Twitter famous and like, that's really not famous in terms of social media fame. Now a 10 10,000 followers is literally nothing in terms of, you know, compared to what these kids have access to on Tik Tok.

Brian Nichols  
And, you know, kind of going back to the, you know, the progression I was going through there, you never were meant to talk to 1000s 10s of 1000s, hundreds of 1000s Millions of people with one click of a button. And if you think back to Facebook and MySpace, I mean, it was not just my friends, people I knew in real life, like my MySpace friends, were my friends from school, my Facebook friends were my friends from school, my friends, my friends from home, my family, it was it was a core group of people that I knew liked and trusted, right. And you fast forward to the advent of Twitter, AD and of YouTube ads and of Tiktok, Instagram, and with Twitter without Facebook changing over the years. And it went away from that one to one one to few interaction. And now it's one to a platform of hundreds of 1000s Millions of people. And we not only are we the ones now communicating that, but we are the ones being influenced by that. And it was something you raised earlier, right? Like, it was my friends. And I was I was saying things to my friends and what I know who I was, and when I cared about my cause. And you said it right what people want me to care about. Now what's happening is I see the social pressure. And I'm saying I you know, let's say all of us, we see the social pressure of 400,000 hearts on a tweet, or 1.2 million likes on a Facebook post or 2 Million Hearts on a tick tock. And that that social influence that is subtly there, it does influence us because you're like god damn do that many people actually think this way. And it kind of it messes with you a little bit. Because what we think is the real life versus the fake real life that a lot of these algorithms push. They're night and day. And that's why I always tell people on the show, like go talk to the person in real life. Because what we think is important on the social media sites, more often than not really doesn't impact you're truly your average person. But it is those people and going back to the topic of conversation for today's episode, Gen Z and Gen alpha in particular, because those are the two generations that have grown up entirely in this online space. Now that has become the norm that that is the expectation for any use of social media. It's like you're using it to become an influencer or to gain notoriety or to build your brand and your influence. It wasn't just like, hey, I want to connect with my friends. Right? Like I wanna I want to see what Bill's doing from from high school. I haven't talked to you in five years like that. That's where it has really changed. And you know, going I guess forward Olivia we have the Tick Tock The Tick tock, I sound like such a boomer. We have the tick tock. We got we have tick tock. We have Facebook, we have Instagram. We have Twitter. I guess we have threads. I don't know it exists. I don't know what that is. Wants to be Twitter, but you know, it's Zuckerberg clone. Just like him. So when you look at like the different social medias we have now go Going forward, I'm kind of seeing the old social media sites like your Facebook and your Twitter, those kind of giants. They're losing their luster. I mean, not this isn't a thing about Elon Musk or anything that just the, the user base for them has has drastically changed and that with the advent, all all these smaller social media sites, you've seen a lot of the folks that would be traditionally on one site now going to much more niche sites. I mean, he's more personal to them or joining a community like, you know, a Twitter group or space or something like that. That means more to them. So I say all that Olivia, when we're kind of going forward here, and we're trying to outreach specifically to Gen Z and Gen alpha, what's the best way to meet them where they're at? What's the best way to get on their purview, without it being aggressive without it being salesy? Like how can we enter into the conversations that they're having organically? Without it being Boomer Brian coming in here and trying to you know, be like, Hey, kids, how are you doing today? Like what what's the approach that we could take to actually have some real success in hoping to change the culture and change the way that they're having these conversations?

Olivia Rondeau  
Not to toot my own horn, but I think you have to kind of enlist so to speak, like Zoomers older. Zoomers, like myself who know how to speak about these things, informs that in terms that younger people understand. I am not a tick tock influencer, but I've gone back and forth in my head, should I really, you know, start taking it seriously, you know, just maybe just post some of the clips of me on Fox and clips of me on podcast to tick tock just because I know podcast clips. And TV clips tend to go pretty viral on there. I think the algorithm does like them. Even if you're sharing controversial opinions, the algorithm kind of loves controversy. So it's just kind of a thing. Where do I want to open myself up to receive all these types of hate comments, but after some time on social media, I say I can stand it. But so yeah, I think the answer is to not run from the platform is to actually go in there and spread it. I mean, there are people who have successfully done that if you're familiar with like people like Brett Cooper, who has a wildly popular tick tock page, she reviews things and does reaction videos, which Gen Z loves. That's like the main type of content that Gen Z loves is like the streamers, the reaction gurus, the you know, the people, the influencers, who react to other influencers. That's kind of Brett's candy right there. That's what she goes for. And it's kind of genius. Because even if the kids don't like what she's saying, they'd like to watch somebody react to some crazy stuff. So I think that she's a great example. And there have been a couple other Gen Z people, you know, conservatives who have made waves on tick tock, and so I'm thinking of, you know, at least trying my hand out on it, because I do agree with you that a lot of people have left Twitter and Instagram for more niche sites, or they just don't care about anymore. Like I feel like the days of really funny, Twitter's are kind of over like there used to be accounts, like even like, you know, they were they were I guess like gimmick accounts, but the days of funny gimmick accounts and things like that are over, They've all moved to tick tock because it's easier to be funnier on tick tock, the algorithm thinks that more. And people aren't, you know, Twitter is where people go to talk about serious things like politics or to complain. So I think that a combination of things is people actually go to tick tock conservatives go to tick tock and go to Instagram reels and all these little spaces, and actually get the message out, and also try to make more content for Twitter, you know, and bring more traffic back. And, you know, I have my I have my different opinions on Elans. You know, buying of Twitter. Overall, I think it's a plus for free speech and for our movement, but in terms of, you know, advertisers leaving the platform and a lot of people deleting their accounts and stuff, obviously. I mean, we see that happening, you can't even deny that that's happening. So, yeah, I think a combination of methods needs to be taken.

Brian Nichols  
Alright, Olivia, we are at the tail end of the show, which means we go towards our final thoughts segment. And if you're cool that I'll kick things off. When I'm looking at this conversation. It's, it's not necessarily a tough conversation to have, because it's pretty, like it's pretty straightforward, right? Like, you know, you see, the younger generations, they're going to their bubble to have a conversation away from the old folks. Yep. Makes sense. But it's, it's much different nowadays. Because it seems that when they're in that bubble, that they're there is no check on it, right? Like before, if you were in your bubble, and then you like somebody overheard you in your bubble, you might get caught out in that bubble. Or maybe like you'd have the idea, maybe a little bit supplanted by something else, somebody else mentioned as another alternative idea. Whereas now, when you get into these echo chambers, it's much more difficult to bring in an alternative idea and I'm very thankful Olivia that we were able to get you out of that echo chamber over in the tumbler worlds. Before we got to this point where once it seems people now get into their tribe They're stuck. I actually I think back to I'm from upstate New York, I'm used to the Amish community, the Amish culture and the Amish culture, it's very common that if you decide to leave the Amish culture you're you're gone from from that culture, right? And it seems that that mentality has kind of carried over into these these kind of like little tribal groups on social media where you don't, you don't like toe the line exactly. As we say, well, you're you're no longer not just part of our tribe, you're no longer a person to us, you don't exist. And we really have to do a better job. I think when those when those folks who they've been told you're out, you're kicked out. And this isn't just like, you know, for Gen Z on social media, this for other folks that we see get kicked out of their, you know, their their little echo chambers. We as the folks on the right side of the aisle, we have to do a better job at welcoming them in and helping almost what the rehabilitation process right, we as either. So I guess I'll wrap up with my final thoughts of Bolivia, we need more people like you, we need more people who are willing to to embrace with empathy, right? When people are saying, yeah, maybe I made a left turn, right, no pun intended. But I need some help now. And I need to see a different way of seeing things. So thank you for what you're doing. Thank you to the other folks out there who are trying to to fight back and doing so through the culture. So that's my final thoughts. Olivia, what do you have for us in urine?

Olivia Rondeau  
I think I just like to expand on that. Because yes, we should be the people to rehabilitate the the pariahs of the left who have been excommunicated from their holy Church and now feel politically homeless, because that's what happened to me. I mean, I can criticize a lot of Magga people I can criticize, you know, Trump Republicans and stuff, no, for a long time, but they were the first group of people who took me, you know, with being a young minority woman, they took that and said, you can actually fit in here. Now later, I did feel a little bit more boxed in and kind of expanded my thoughts into libertarian philosophy and just kind of conservatism in a broader sense than just the Magga movement. But I will give them credit for you know, helping with the rehabilitation process. And to that point, I would just caution, a lot of right wingers and libertarians and conservatives are then looking at ex leftists, as some type of like, you're just unsavable we just can't say because who would fall for that? Because so many prominent conservatives and libertarians used to be leftist. And that's, that's, I mean, I know that people get shamed for it like oh, so and so used to be a Marxist, they voted for Bernie, they voted for Hillary that ended. And I've only ever voted for Trump. But I can say that if I was old enough to vote when I was in my liberal phase, I would have been like 100% Pro Bernie, probably like I would have either voted for Bernie or ended up voting for Hillary Clinton. So it's just a thing where I don't think we should judge I think we should be open to receiving those and especially from demographics, that the left targets, I think we should stop ceding ground to the leftist when it comes to LGBT. I think we should stop writing off people like let's say a gay person comes over and they're their ex leftist who got kicked out of the leftist for not wanting to promote transgenderism, but they're still gay. We shouldn't turn our nose up at that and be like, well, you're gay. If so you must you your ex leftists you must support that you must support this. Why? You're just you're acting exactly like a leftist saying that they're gay. They must be in this leftist box. So yeah, let's just be better.

Brian Nichols  
Be better. I like it. It's a good plan of attack. And if we follow that plan of attack, I think we'll be in a better spot tomorrow than we are today. So with that being said, Olivia Rando, appreciate the conversation. And folks if you enjoy the conversation, which I know you did, well go ahead and you know the drill, give it a share when you do tag Yours truly, over on Facebook and on x at B nickels. Liberty, Olivia where can folks go ahead and find you they want continue the conversation.

Olivia Rondeau  
You guys should have watched my podcasts on indoctrination. You can find us on YouTube, Spotify, Apple or wherever you listen to your podcasts and also on Twitter at Rando Livia.

Brian Nichols  
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Olivia Rondeau  
I just want to say I don't even have a bumper to put that sticker on but I kind of want one now. It looks cool. Well, you got a five

Brian Nichols  
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