788: Common Ground for Uncommon Times - How to Break Bread Without Breaking Bonds

Brian Nichols  0:25  
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Jeremy Todd  2:25  
Hey, Ben doing well living the dream brother.

Brian Nichols  2:29  
Live the dad life. How are ya? How is the life of Jeremy Todd, it's been a little bit since you've been on the show what's been going on? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd  2:37  
Dad, life's been great. We are in our terrible twos, which has been an opportunity for dad to grow is how we would say it in the sales profession. Oh, it's an opportunity for growth. Right opportunity. Right. That's exactly what it's been. But it's been a lot of fun. And watching him grow into a person who will talk to you and tell you what he wants and have fun and smile. It's been it's been a it's been great.

Brian Nichols  3:05  
Dad life. I know, in my end, we're just over eight months here. And it's wild. It's the most exhausting thing. But truly the most rewarding thing true. And I think I've said this a few times in the show, if you're ever finding yourself on life, or you're looking for what is the purpose of life, have a kid right? Don't just have a kid to have a kid but have a kid to experience why we are here. And it is not just to get our self vanity or to you know, improve our lives the best it can be which is important. But it is the next generation it is the posterity, right. And that is where as I became a dad, I a lot of my values I think were reinforced and maybe a little bit of my tolerance that I would have for other values challenged on which we are today. I think that actually turns into a good segue to our topic of conversation. We just had Thanksgiving, we're in the holiday season, folks are having conversations at the dinner table with friends and family. And believe it or not, some of these conversations didn't get a little testy. I'm sure some of the folks in the audience had some testy conversations, which, to that point, are we talking about the right things, right. And I wanted to focus on that today from a libertarian perspective, because we have an opportunity, I'd say at the holidays, to bring our ideas, bring our solutions and prioritize the solutions part to a audience and I'd say a an ICP, in this case, an ideal customer persona, or I said in the last episode and ideal voter persona. In this case, it is truly your friends and family. Right? You you have a direct relationship with these folks. So you can kind of bypass a lot of the other barriers that might be in place and have real kind of Heart to Heart conversations. So what should those look like? How should we frame these? And then on the other side, what things should we avoid what things should we not be doing and that's not necessarily specific topics right? But So just just ways that we approach conversations. So, Jeremy, I want to start things off, you know, I'm at the dinner table. And the three main things I heard come up time and again in mind you I did my part to try and sit back and not lead conversations, but rather kind of, you know, sit and listen, and then add commentary or, you know, some some thoughts here and there. But it came back to the economy and inflation, the 2024 presidential election people very curious about that. And then the other thing that I thought was very interesting was also crime and public safety. Right. So, and by the way, with the inflation, the rising cost of living economy that includes like job security, the health of the economy, all that fun stuff in that kind of bucket. But yeah, the 2024 election, and then crime and public safety, I think, crime and public safety. And just mind you, for some context, my my family that I went and visited up in the Northeast, and in predominantly more blue, well, they're in the suburbs of what would be more blue areas. So they're more red leaning politically, but they tend to live in more bluer areas, or where red areas now becoming blue area. So with that, and just as we've seen in every single blue, big city, it seems with more of these far left progressive leaning policies, as it comes to crime, then comes the increase in not just crime, but specifically violent crime. So that was, I think one of the main things that was really bringing this to the top of the conversation. So that's what I saw as things that were being brought up organically at conversations. How about you what on your end? What were things that you saw people were actually talking about, not things that we in the libertarian world think we should have been talking about, or think we should have been leading the conversation towards? Yeah, I

Jeremy Todd  6:44  
mean, I think it's, there's, there's a lot of conversation around the economy, jobs. Job security, I think, is one, this sort of feeling of a quiet recession, where

Brian Nichols  6:58  
it's happening, but we're not gonna talk about it happening. Well,

Jeremy Todd  7:01  
in like, they're kind of fudging it with numbers. But we all feel it. I think that was a that was a really huge part.

Brian Nichols  7:11  
By the way, did you see the GDP numbers? They went up 3.8% for q3, which, by the way, doesn't, that everybody's preparing for when prices are going to continue to increase? So normally, you see GDP increasing, you're like, that's awesome. But there's context behind it. And to your point, they're fudging it to make it so it kind of fits a rosy economic prospects which behind the scenes, it's really not.

Jeremy Todd  7:31  
Exactly and and then the, you know, general mockery of presidential candidates and politics in general, which is more of one of the battles that I believe that we have to face is to get people, we tend to be very serious about our politics, because we understand the implications of it. But a lot of people have just either gone numb to it, or they've used sort of sarcasm about it. And as a coping mechanism almost.

Brian Nichols  8:02  
At this point, this is a complete apathy.

Jeremy Todd  8:07  
Yes, yeah. And so it's getting people to care, again, about these things that happen. And then of course, the final one, which I think is not going anywhere so long is the it continues to be an issue is immigration. Yeah, what how that plays into things. So

Brian Nichols  8:30  
one of the question, What did you hear about the immigration conversation taking I mean,

Jeremy Todd  8:34  
just you see all of the pictures, and even the most staunch sort of like, open borders person can't can't see these visualizations and not go home. Oh, boy. Whoo, what are we going to do? Like, what what do we do? And this is clearly not sustainable. Have a sort of an idea in the old tautology of libertarians who are like, well, people just want to come here and day labor. And we need the influx of of laborers into the marketplace is, but we have a housing shortage, a massive housing shortage right now. And so there's nowhere for these people to go. There, you know, you see pictures of of dozens of people sleeping in an airport, because the only place the city can find where there's actual space for them. And then you just see more and more and more coming and you wonder like, okay, look, I know, there's probably some propaganda behind this to sort of enraged me a little bit, but also there are real world issues for people that we're

Brian Nichols  9:44  
getting the cultural issues alone, right. And this is not to say that, you know, oh, my God, they're a bad culture, but it's a different culture. And it's, it's not wrong to acknowledge that there are differences in culture and when cultures come together, I mean, I think There was a class I took PAC in college called when worlds collide. And he was talking about the importance for gentle worlds colliding. And to allow that buffer of assimilation, what we're seeing is an influx of hundreds of 1000s of illegal migrants at the southern border in the numbers of equal to the state population of Wyoming. And that alone should be very scary. And those numbers alone should wait. I think people on both sides of the political aisle up and when you see folks like Mayor Eric Adams in New York start to raise the red flag because you had more conservative leaning governors like Governor Abbott in Texas governor DeSantis in Florida, sending these migrants by bus up to New York, and all sudden now that the real life scenario that was happening on these on the border of Texas is now happening in New York City, a city that was running itself as a quote unquote, sanctuary city, and it's happening in cities like Philadelphia cities like Chicago, and with it happening, it has led to so many folks on the political left now having to wake up to the realities of their policy. And it goes kind of back to the HL Mencken, quote, democracy is, you know, the way for the common man, they get what they think they need good and hard, or something

Jeremy Todd  11:16  
good and hard. Yeah. But that is where you see

Brian Nichols  11:19  
right now these progressive cities, they are getting good and hard. And when you have people like Mary Adams say, okay, maybe we should do something different. What happens? Elson, he gets looked at for was a campaign tax fraud or Oh, yeah, magic morning years ago. It's like, oh, okay, we see what's happening now. And it again, going back to the cultural conversation, it is so important for us to acknowledge that there is a difference of culture. And when these cultures collide with our culture, and it is so different, there will be friction, there will be clashes, and we have to acknowledge that that will be an inevitable outcome of that. So if we're okay with that being a consequence, so I guess that's what's going to happen. But more and more people not just hear Jeremy right. But Ireland. Did you see what's happening in Ireland right now with with the outrage that there's protests in the 10s of 1000s. Conor McGregor is being looked at right now for for hate speech online. Because he's saying that Ireland is being taken over there was a, I think was a stabbing or shooting of some, I think some child or two kids, I forget the specific numbers. But there was there was, I think, six six or plus people who were either injured or killed. And it was from this guy who was I think, an illegal, illegal immigrant or a longtime immigrant of Ireland, but not native. And just it's turned into this whole uprising in Ireland where people are just saying enough, then you're seeing this in countries like Sweden, you're seeing this in countries like I think it was the Netherlands, they just erected a elected erected elected a a more right leaning president, a president Prime Minister who is focused entirely on immigration being their main issue. And again, it goes back to culture, people are feeling that their their way of life is now being threatened, because they aren't in the confines of their own country feeling safe. And that's a big thing. People just have to address and libertarians can't say, well, well, you know, an organization like Cato said that it's going to be a okay. It's

Jeremy Todd  13:19  
like the net positive. Yes.

Brian Nichols  13:22  
We're seeing it right now. There's an objective feedback that we're getting acknowledged, this is not working. And there's a reason for it. Let's talk about

Jeremy Todd  13:29  
it. Oh, also, one of the one of the things that irks me in and along this conversation is that you mentioned cultural clashes a lot. And that that will make a lot of the CATO type libertarians cringe a little bit. Do you? Do you have a right to culture? No, we have individual rights. And we have property rights since like, Yeah, but imagine if we took 100,000 Florida men, and they're all carrying AR fifteens and we flooded them into Japan. Japanese people would have a problem. It is okay. There our society develops cultures and while America is the great melting pot. The reality is is yes, we there is a way we should be. Yeah. And then there's also a way that humans are period, and they're going to be and if these things are continued to allow to happen. You're going to see blowback, you're going to see a lot of pushback. It's not going to be peaceful. People are going people get very emotional about these things. And the threat of losing their culture, losing their homes, jobs, whatever. It the the infrastructure doesn't exist to take care of 1,000,002 million, 3 million new immigrants on top of the legal ones every year. So there, we can talk in this sort of ID You have, what it should be, or you know what we believe? And it doesn't face reality of what people are. Right? Yep.

Brian Nichols  15:09  
Well, and that kind of goes to where I think libertarians have had some major issues. And Jeremy, it's no secret. You and I have discussed this many a time on the show when it comes to how do we can effectively market libertarian ideas and solutions to the average person. And it's not by focusing on the issues that we care about. It's about focusing on the issues that our prospects in this case potential voters actually care about, right. And it's not what we think they should care about, or leading with what we want them to care about what what they actually care about. And at the end of the day, people are not going to vote because they're just casting their vote to cast a vote, they're more likely than not casting with some type of emotion behind it. And I want to segue to where libertarians, we just we miss the mark, Jeremy, and this is something I think we just got to get better at. And I know you do some talks here for some folks before, some different events leading into where libertarians need to stop focusing their time and energy and change things. And I know one of the things you start out with is talking about stop the baiting. So let's talk about that. Like, how can libertarians stop debating but still feel that they're getting their point across? And still, you know, trying to lead with their solution? I guess without trying to contrast it to somebody else's solution to make them feel bad? What are your thoughts there?

Jeremy Todd  16:28  
Well, you're always going to be in a situation where you have to contrast your opinion to what somebody else's, you know, wrong opinion is, but debate is is different debate is where there's a back and forth, trying to win trying to prove somebody wrong, trying to win. Yeah, and trying to win. And and that is not that is for a stage with an audience. Okay, debate works effectively, if there is an audience who's observing and then trying to make their decision. But if you began debating with somebody in that audience, when they are, all that's going to do is entrench them further in their position. And so if you get into dinner table debates you've already lost, the goal isn't to debate them and out like, reason them with with facts, because they're going to be so emotionally tied to their, they're trying to win, too. So you've got to avoid situations where you're trying to win, and do a lot more asking of questions. And sort of probing and leading to get them to where you want to be. So for example, you know, you could you could start off a conversation with something like, oh, they just had to layoff another guy at work. Is any of that happening? Where you guys work at? And let somebody start to go and just go? Yeah, if it's happening everywhere, it's obviously something bigger going on? I mean, or what are you guys feeling? And just sort of letting them open and go, because on that, in that way, you're on the same side. Whereas if I had come out and said, you know, because of the COVID relief package, inflation is so high, and companies are having to layoff people, not only not only are you going to put them to sleep, but what if they hold the opinion of companies are just greedy, and they need to lower their prices again, now you don't know jack shit about economics, right? So now you're in a debate, and you're trying to teach someone micro and macro economics at the dinner table, and they're arguing with you. It's not it's not a fun place. So

Brian Nichols  18:38  
we're really quick. The contrast there, what you just said was, we were teaching, right? They were fighting. Yes, that and that's where we fail. We think that we can, we can just educate them, if we can just if we can just throw more books at them. And we can get them to understand us that then they'll then they'll, they'll say yes, right? And that goes I think point to your facts and figures, logic and reason people, you need to use emotion, you have to focus on emotion because people make buying decisions, Jeremy on emotion. So let's talk about that talk about

Jeremy Todd  19:13  
it yet. So in the example we just gave where we were talking about folks being laid off at work and what's going on and how their budgets are doing, how's your 401k doing? All of those have a feeling behind it? All right. Property rights do not have a feeling behind it. You know, monetary policy does not have a feeling behind it. But we know that the pain that they're experiencing from seeing real world things like their 401 K decrease the amount of groceries they can buy every week go down, how much more expensive it is that they may not get to travel this year, what the cost of child care is for them and what percentage it is. All of those things are tremendously painful and stressful and anxiety carry Eating within them. And you have to sort of forge a natural anxiety amongst people about the things that they're feeling in order to motivate them to potentially look at things in a different way. Whereas if you just start, you know, giving them facts and trying to do logic and reason, and even even good metaphors to early on in the process will just turn people on and switch them back to debate, because then you'll try to make a metaphor. And, you know, let's say you try to make a metaphor about Dunning Kruger, and how the when the money is printed, the first people who get it benefit, and the people who suffer are the last people, and you give some sort of metaphor about like, I don't know, the watercycle, or doughnuts or who knows, they aren't going to find what they're naturally going to do in that conversation is look for points of contention, and disagreement, because there's no emotional involvement for them to agree with you yet. And so that has to be fostered first, in order to start then explaining Well, yeah, I was listening to the show the other day. And what they were saying is, you know, where I was reading this book by Rothbard. And what he says causes this is XYZ. And that makes sense, because a couple years ago, do you remember, you know, XYZ happened or you know, Congress sign this bill. And then they can start to connect the dots on their own and feel like you're on the same side, as opposed to somebody on the other side that they have to work to refute? Yeah,

Brian Nichols  21:36  
and I would just preface this right, because we were, we were going through the context of this conversation, this thought experiment of this is someone who is in our ideal market, right? We're not going to, you know, Calvin, the communists at the dinner table and being like, Hey, buddy, we're gonna have you become a libertarian and vote libertarian overnight. By me sitting down with you and having a conversation, I'm gonna convince you on one issue, we'll sell you on one issue, we'll meet you where you're at on this issue, and emotionally, you know, sell you on this, and now you're a libertarian, right? That's not gonna happen. Why? Because Calvin, the communist is a communist, and he doesn't believe in libertarianism, he believes in communism. Now, we might be able to plant a seed in a conversation with Calvin the communists and get him to maybe change his mind down the road. But guess what, I'm not looking at Calvin, the communist as a possible voter for libertarians, I'm not looking at him as someone who I'm going to activate as a natural state voter, but now a libertarian moving forward to help promote the ideas of liberty and create little libertarians across the globe. That's not what Calvin the communist is going to do. So what I want to do is look to Susie, the centrist and say, Hey, Susie, you know, you've been hanging out here in the middle. And I know that we align on XYZ issues. And you're not saying this to her, this is your mental checklist, right? You're going through, okay, I know we agree on these issues. Now, there might be some points of contention. But I think if I can build up the, to your point, as you raise Jeremy, the anxiety, I call it, you know, twisting the knife, you make that pain, as painful as possible, and you kind of paint that picture. And then you agitate that pain, but then offer a solution. If that pain is a pain that it triggers enough emotion with them, I feel sometimes that that can outweigh some of the areas of contention, right, and it can get them to be on board with a solution, give it a chance. And once they give that solution a chance, then it might open their ideas or their mind to other ideas, if they see that the one solution we presented actually works, right? Yeah, so you even even go ahead. And just one last point, you have to know though who you're going after who you're targeting, don't go after your competition, your competition is not your your ideal buyer, your competition is in many cases actively selling against you why? Because that's their job, their competition, it's their role as to be your foil and to try and to steal your business. So don't go and try to sell to your competition. Don't try to convince your competition that your product is better than theirs, go to the actual customer. In this case, the ideal voter who in my silly analogy was Suze, the centrist here so with that, sorry.

Jeremy Todd  24:02  
Oh, no, just just two points to follow up on that are that number one you had mentioned? Calvin the communist right. The most important thing you can do if Calvin the communist is on your target list is just be sure he likes you. Right like it and by enlarge what I mean by that is you can find some areas of common ground they may be few and far between. But I had this former co worker clean clearly we're we're the woke of woke, right. But she liked me and I liked her shit. We were good people outside of our very specific political opinions, right? But we bonded over being kind of anti war in this situation. Now, not all where people are anti war, but she was and so we we would have conversations about that and I'd go well, I actually I'm a libertarian and it that sort of will shock them to go, Oh, my God, I thought you were all fascists, right? Like, and just ensure that they like you. And guess what, every time I post some stuff right on like my instagram or whatever, she's in the viewers, she's consuming my propaganda. And that's about as good as, as it can get. The second point you mentioned is if I can twist that knife and then offer a solution, I would add an extra step in there. And that we first need to, they will feel the pain and anxiety. But they still they're still like home. It's like, if you feel sick, your first answer isn't let me go take pills, your first answer is, I need to go to the doctor, I need to get a diagnosis, right. And so make sure we don't skip the diagnosis step in there. And they are going to have to discover sort of the diagnosis on their own. Now you can point them towards it right? And you can, you know, but make sure you talk about like, what is actually causing this problem. And that's where you can insert sort of like, Where were you? I was reading this article the other day, and they mentioned this. And that makes sense. Because that and so what we're doing there is we're not talking about how to fix it yet. We're talking about what caused this problem to begin with. And then most of the time the diagnosis is cancer, which is the government and the answer is remove the cancer and replace it with nothing.

Brian Nichols  26:25  
Somebody please clip that because that was that was a line right there. So when we talk about the solution, right, one of the just like knee jerk reactions is a Libertarian Party. Candidate. But we have to be real right with a voter, Jeremy, unless you're in a specific race, and I'm actually I'm working behind the scenes with a few candidates who have some head to heads we there with either Republican or Democrat, right. And guess what we're gonna message differently based on not just who they're running against, but also who that voting the voting base is? And, and that's not, you know, that's not not being true to principles that's just being realistic and, frankly, pragmatic with trying to win your election. But yeah, these I guarantee, I guarantee you behind the scenes, I've done my vetting, I made sure that these are actual real libertarians I know. So with that being said, though, right. For the other races where I'm sorry, libertarians, you are, you are the other right, you are the the third choice, folks, you don't even care that you are a big L libertarian, they don't know what the hell that is. They're like, Okay, I don't like these two teams, I'll vote for you. And that might turn into what 2.5% of the electorate. So we got to be real with voters when you're voting for a libertarian, until we do start to make some changes, specifically in local elections. Until that starts to happen. We start to build some credibility, we start to build some trust with the voters. You're you're not, you're not going to get a libertarian into office. Right. So how do we how do we have real conversations with voters to get them to vote for us? But kind of acknowledging this very large libertarian porcupine in the room? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd  28:01  
I think the first thing we've got to stop doing is stop lying to them. Well, if enough, if everybody who believed what we believe voted for us like, well, we could win. Yeah, no kidding, right? That's

Brian Nichols  28:12  
their guns down and decided not to fight anymore. There'd be no more. Listen,

Jeremy Todd  28:16  
Chad, if we if we had 120% inflation like Argentina did. Alright. Maybe we could pull this off. Right. But the reality is, we don't, we are all feeling a lot of pain from eight 9%, you know, from just a few months back, so just understand, like Argentina to be able to pull off what they pulled off, had to basically be on the brink of collapse. As a culture.

Brian Nichols  28:45  
They're not at hyperinflation yet. But they are so very, very close. Right? Their market percentages change on a day to day basis. So you literally don't know what your your money is worth. The next day you wake up. Yep.

Jeremy Todd  29:00  
And so you know, if we're in that situation, maybe you can say, yeah, if everybody votes for us, we can really turn this thing around monetary policy wise, right. But in the three party races where we do not really stand a huge chance, especially in races that aren't going to be close or contested. I gave the example of like, 2024 presidential election in in Alabama, Kentucky, Indiana, these are not going to be contested states, it's going to be a landslide, right? So it's especially if you live in a very red or a very blue state. And you've had these sort of conversations with friends and family and they're starting to lean. That's when you ask for the sale. And you ask for the sale not in like hey, you help us when they're just gonna laugh at you for being goofy. What you do is you say, look, it's it's not any more of a wasted vote to vote libertarian than it is to vote for one of the other two parties because the state's already made up its mind and that it's going to be what it's going to be. However, if we hit in your state, maybe different X number y number, z number, or we as a party nationwide hit 5%. Well, now we've accomplished this, if we pull it 15%, now we get to be in debates, etc, etc. If you can sort of paint a pathway of where like, hey, almost pity, not necessarily pity vote, because they do agree with us. And they may actually want to vote for us, but they want their vote to matter. You have to show them how it matters, and losing, but getting a certain number of votes, does help us take a step forward. And why is that important? Well, they may not actually detest Trump or Joe Biden, right. But find somebody on either side that they kind of do detest, and go, Listen, we have three states this year, that we have to go collect 1000s of signatures to be on the ballot, so people can even vote for us, right? It's not like we go sign up and we go, Oh, hey, here we go. We actually have to get votes in all of the states to stay on the ballot. So explain sort of ballot access and why that matters. And then go look, if we had our ballot access easy on all 50 states, now we have more money that we can spend on these campaigns, rather than campaigning just to get on the damn ballot. And then if we get to this number, the FEC will match our donations, who knows if we'll keep it or not a lot of people who feel strongly both ways in the Libertarian Party about taking taxpayer money to run our campaigns or not, but you know, it at least having the option that having the ballot access would be great, but paint a picture. And back to the finding that politicians that they detest, say go, Hey, look, there's a real possibility that if you don't vote libertarian, and we lose our ballot access, essentially, in all of these states, you may be forced to cast a vote for Kamala Harris, or, you know, Nikki Haley, and how would that make you feel neocon Nikki? No, no. And they may go? Well, I might expect, but would you feel good about it? Like even a little bit? And doesn't that make you kind of it? Wouldn't it be very important to go? Nope, you know what, I just, I can't and I've got this other option here that I can check. And it also will keep us from allowing Republicans and Democrats to put those absolutely the worst of the worst among them on the ballot, because they know, like, if you do, we will steal your votes from people who hate them. And go isn't that important? And like, look, you're not going to swing this election with your vote in this very rare, rare, very rare blue state. So cast it for us, so we can continue to give people a better option in the future in case that does go off the rails.

Brian Nichols  33:08  
Jeremy Todd, it's always a great conversation. You have the my man, do us a favor. We're wrapping things up here. Where Can folks go ahead find you they can continue the conversation with you are on social media and what do you have for final thoughts today? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd  33:21  
I'm on Twitter at Jay Todd 601 I think I've got the lock on right now. So if you do want to follow me just following Alex up, I'm applying for jobs so I can't have the Israel lobby like keeping me from getting jobs. So my Twitter my ex account is on lock right now. And that's where you can follow me also our page sell liberty on Facebook. We have a good time there community for sales and sales adjacent people in the liberty movement. And yeah, that's really it. Other than that, get involved locally. Find your local Libertarian Party, find the meetup if they don't have one, start one and run for city council. I when I became chair, that's a fun little thing here that I learned I became chair in my county and I pulled the election results for City Council. We have like nine cities in my county. All but one person who filed to run for city council was elected all but one. So it is most likely that in your city. If you show up and you get on the ballot period, which is not hard to do at city council level. You will likely be elected and be city councilman and can stop the nonsense and I heard something the other day I think it was repeated but I believe Jeff dice said it originally was you know We certainly aren't made up of a bunch of people who want to take two hours out of our life once a week or once a month to go to a city council meeting. But you know, who does neoliberal globalist oatmeal in suit human beings who have no problem, you know, approving and funding every project at your dime. And so they are going to show up and they are going to get elected to City Council because again, if they can get on there, and then they gain that experience, and then they go to the State House. And then like he said, oatmeal in suits becomes our Congress, for this country. And so if you showing up, we'll just be the stalwart against that. That's that in and of itself is a win.

Brian Nichols  35:42  
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