746: The Populist Wave - How RFK Jr., Trump, & Ramaswamy are Reshaping the 2024 Elections

Brian Nichols  
populism will define the 2024 elections. Let's talk about that instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Hey there, folks on The Brian Nichols Show, thank you for joining us on of course, another fun filled episode. I am as always your humble host going to you live from our DNC Studios here in lovely Eastern Indiana and today we're talking about how on both sides of the political aisle, populism is beginning to establish the foundation of the 2024 President's presidential campaigns. You discuss that with us today. Returning to the show, the one and only Kenny Cody Welcome back to The Brian Nichols Show. Hey Brian, how are you brother? Doing good welcome back. You just got back from vacation, how have things been going good

Kenny Cody  
to great participe I do love my home sweet home on Rocky Top but I'm glad to be back in the state but it was good to get visited the Free State of Florida spent two weeks with some friends and family there. So it was it was a good trip got to see Byron Donalds while I was down there, which was a local town hall and watched him speak hopefully he'll be he'll be the next rising star in the GOP. I was really impressed with him. Of course I'm even on vacation. I have to find a way to to hit on my political interests. But I had a great time it was a well needed rest and now ready to get back to work here in the state.

Brian Nichols  
Rock and roll and Byron Donalds. Yeah, he's one of those members of Congress who easily embraces and personifies the idea of, you know, listening to your voters listening to not only what they want, but specifically helping make sure that you're bringing realistic solutions to those respective voters. And this kind of is echoing in, you know, hand in hand with populism. Right, which to your article, which we're over on Newsmax populism seems to both on the right and the left with the advent of the RFK, Jr. presidency, really taking our presidency campaign that is for the DNC role, they're really taking shape and actually standing against the Biden campaign and getting significant support. When you're thinking about an incumbent president. I think the last numbers I saw somewhere in that 24% 30% range that's pretty shocking and stunning when Biden is a sitting Democratic president. So I mean, can he talk to us about what your perception is looking at populism as it pertains both not to adjust to the right side of the aisle, but also as it pertains to the left? Well, I

Kenny Cody  
think when people think of populism, you know, unfortunately, those who are in the small government ideology, as you and I, you know, we feel a bit outside the box when it comes to populism. But most people think of this idea of like, economic pragmatism, like saying that we're going to be for universal health care, and we're wanting to tax the rich and everything. And that's just not what populism is. Although on some avenues, I find myself economically pragmatic when it comes to being against corporate tax breaks and things like that. But all populism really is is a strategy, in my opinion. You know, I think people are so tired of this establishment terian ideology on both the right and the left of just being for the same thing all the time being so I mean, I consistency is a good thing. But when you refuse to listen to your voters, and you're listening to the elite, when you're listening to the higher elite bureaucrats in the government, when you're listening to corporations, when you're listening to the rich, when you're listening to the elites of our society, I probably don't think that you know, during the COVID-19 crosses, and over the last three years of the Biden presidency, I think people are pretty tired or two years, the Biden presidency, it feels like it's been 10. But I think what people are just tired of this establishment on the left politics, the way things have always gone. You know, you have these Republicans on the rods wanting to home back to the areas of the Bush presidency is that your one? You know, people like Nikki Haley, Mark pants, and even to an extent Ron DeSantis, want to take us back to this idea of straight collar straightened top politics, when I think people want something new. I think people want something, not someone who listens to the voters. And that's really all populism is I mean, if you look it up in the dictionary, if you look it up on any sort of political ideology website, all populism is really defined as is the common man versus the elite. Now, if you're Bernie Sanders, that can be corporations that can be the rich man, whatever. But on the rot, it can also be the bureaucratic members of the government, the elites in our government that are abusing rights of Americans every single day and even corporations such as big tech who are silencing conservative voices, you know, we've we've that's why we've seen such a influx of support for Elon Musk because we kind of see an elitist betrayal in that regard. And I think that's because of things like populism. You've seen an outlash and you've seen a backlash from the common man that wants to hear their voice. as being heard and hear real issues that people want to talk about, and I think that's because populism is becoming such a popular ideological strategy on both sides of the political aisle through RFK, Jr. Of course, there are Trump and Nick Ramaswamy on the wrong,

Brian Nichols  
it populism kind of just makes sense when you think about the electorate as a marketplace, right? If you're trying to make it so your customers bring themselves to your product, and then they form their, their desires based on what you have to offer. That's backwards, right, we want to look to see is that the marketplace is actually responding to the needs of the customer. The customer in this in this case is the populace. It is the electorate. So in essence populism. And I know populism to your point earlier, right, it kind of gets labeled in with this, this negative connotation, but really, when you're looking at populism from an electoral standpoint, it is applying the values and the principles that we know work in the marketplace, and applying it to the way we do our voting, right. And in that case, outreach to potential voters, and to actually bring real solutions to that respective voter base on those primary issues they care about. That's why our slogan for the show, meet people where they're at on the issues they care about, because that's what matters, right? At the end of the day, if you're actually trying to win both hearts and minds, but also turn those into votes. You have to people get people excited, and the best way to do that has been shown to use this approach.

Kenny Cody  
And I don't really understand the opposition to it. I think it's because this demonization of the Bernie Sanders rods and the moderates to libertarian rot. The Republicans on the rise and even the establishment Democrats being against Bernie Sanders. I think there's this demonized bastardization of the word of populist, but I don't think it's really that bad of a thing. I mean, really, I tell people this all the time, all populism is is being realized and connected to your voter base. That's really all that it is. I mean, we would not see current Republicans vie for things like an anti interventionist foreign policy, you would not see people be for medical marijuana, you see people be against the NSA against the surveillance state against the deep state, if it wasn't for populism, I mean, the establishment has lost has lost trust in the American, the recollection has lost trust with him, the deep state within the big government, between the bureaucracy within corporations, they have lost trust, the American electorate has lost this ability to trust that the bigger ups the people who were in the government, the people who were in corporations, who basically control our daily lives in some form or capacity, there is no level of trust there anymore. And I think because that lack of trust has been so intertwined with politics, you were seeing populists like RFK, Jr, like Trump, like Vaidik Ramaswamy sort of surge. I mean, there's a reason that, you know, Ramaswamy is pulling two times the amount that people like Chris Christie, Asa, Hutchinson, and all these other moderate Republicans are, and you're seeing somebody a lot, Nikki Haley, who probably back in the, in the Trump presidency, years, we thought might be the next president after Trump was done, I mean, or Mike Pence, I mean, people kind of carried kind of Crown them as the next coming is of the next big presidential candidate within the GOP. And now they're polling at five to 6%, behind the guy like Vivek Ramaswamy, who is a self funded basically, I think, I'm not sure what his net worth is, but I'm guessing nearly a billionaire who's self funding his own campaign, and running on these populist tropes, like, you know, partying, Julian Assange, partying, Edward Snowden being anti anti war, and then you're seeing people like Donald Trump, who say similar thing is, you know, fighting the culture war is trying to abolish the FBI, or at least cut down on the surveillance state with the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Education, the Department of Justice. I mean, you're seeing these real conversations that are happening. I mean, I'm, I'm the chair of the County GOP and the things that people are campaigning on right now. Nobody is wanting to hear Mike Pence campaign about how much more funding that Ukraine needs from the American industrial club or the American Department of Defense and the military industrial complex. They want to hear about how we are going to fight back against the this intertwining Deep State collaboration against the American people, you know, whether you agree with Donald Trump or not, and whether you're for Donald Trump or not, whether your support Ron DeSantis, or even Republican or your support RFK or Biden or whoever, it's nearly impossible to kind of convince people that this is not that there had been a political moment, they political weaponize mobilization of the Department of Justice and our judicial system against a former president because of his political party and because of the way that he thinks about the way government should work. And I think you would not have seen that back in the 1990s. Back in the early 2000s, or even really, the early 2000 10s and less populism came along so you're finally seeing this idea of people that are willing to say hey, we had enough. We're tired of tired of establishment politics, we want something new. And whether you think Trump is new or not, his idea of republicanism is still new. It is still within the last seven years. I don't know what people think. But seven years is a pretty herb a pretty recent change in ideology for any political party when people have shifted on more foreign policy Deep State. I mean, this is the same Republicans that are saying, Hey, we're gonna vote for the Patriot Act. We're going to support the FBI and support the CIA. They're doing right by the American people. And now you've seen in complete overturn what the Democrats are thinking the same people that we were that we referred just 10 years ago. So I think populism is, though it can be it can be a bad thing. And that's something that I think a lot people are willing to say, hey, if it's demonized, do it the wrong way. But right now, in least in the Republican Party, I don't think it's being used in a bad fashion. I think it's being used in a positive fashion, and especially on the Democratic side of the aisle, with the print with the candidacy of RFK, Jr. You're also seeing a positive, a positive campaign of populist tropes being connecting to voters on the Democratic side. Yeah, a

Brian Nichols  
lot to unpack there. Kenny, I think I want to start off though, with one thing, you get that bring up VIP, Vivec Ramaswamy, who I continually start to grow more and more fond of I hear I've heard a lot of podcasts more recently. And he really I think of all the candidates I've heard over on the GOP side of the aisle. I mean, other than Ron Paul and and maybe Rand Paul, I don't really hear anybody else making the arguments that Vivec makes Now, are there areas I disagree with him on? Yeah, absolutely. But I don't think I need to necessarily find a Kenny I agree 100% With and looking just solely at this GOP field, I'm finding that the VEC continuously represents what I think more often than not the average Republican voters looking for is someone that seems authentic. He seems not only does he have great ideas, but he has a means to actually execute those ideas. That's gonna be huge, right? Because he not only talks a big game, but he has the plan to actually go through and implement his vision, which I think is actually one of the most important things when you're going out and you're campaigning, it's not just to talk about a big game, but actually to follow up with it. And frankly, and this is one thing where I really get kind of frustrated with the whole Trump thing is that Trump talks, a really big game, but when push came to shove, and I know, he was running for reelection, I get all that but like, he had the chance to do some money, monumental things, right? Like, pardon, Julian Assange, like pardon, Edward Snowden, like pardoned Ross Albrecht, and even since then, I really haven't heard Trump mentioned too much about that. But we have folks like Vivec, who's going around on the campaign trail saying not only would he you know, go ahead and pardon them, but he gives the reasons why he goes into detail why and I think that right there speaks to why I'm leaning more towards vac is because I see, he understands the intangibles, and he understands the why behind the end behind. And he actually has that plan to execute. Kenny, what are your thoughts there with regards to kind of this Vivec foil to Trump?

Kenny Cody  
Yeah, I mean, I think result Ramaswamy is brilliant. I think in any other presidential election year if it was an open primary where, you know, it was like him and Ron is saying his calling young can Josh Hawley a couple others I think about Rama sama would have a really good chance. I just think, Jimmy, it's it's you know, it's already concluded that he that Trump is more likely to be the nominee no matter what. But I think any any other year and I'm glad he's there, like I'm glad I'm always happy to see somebody like Rama Swanee render the nomination in the same way that I see like somebody like Tulsi Gabbard running in 2020, even though everybody knew it was between Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden. I'm glad to see Ramaswamy there. Um, he's pulling third to like in the recent Fox News poll, I think he was pulling near 6%, which was above Nikki Haley above chris Christie above Mike pants and above a slew of others. So he's had he is connecting on some sort of level with the modern American Republican voter right. So I'm glad to see these tropes that I wish I do wish that Trump would use more, you know, with Julian Assange with Edward Snowden with EMB being complete for the abolishment of federal departments, you know, Trump, Trump is very much for the cut down, which is a positive development in and of itself, but I want to hear a complete abolishment of some of these departments, you know, a state of a cut down the FBI, let's abolish it, instead of a cut down to the CI, let's guess let's grind it down to its bare bones. You know, I'm saying so a lot, a lot of the department stuff and then by the libertarian tropes of that Vivek is using through populace messaging, which I think is very important. I think he plays a very important role within the GOP presidential primary in 2024. Another thing that I think is very beneficial for Ramaswamy says I think he is giving this sort of alternative that DeSantis really isn't hitting on right now. Like, the VEC is requiring basically everybody in the field to round to the right, like he is making all of these very staunch, conservative, populist and, you know, nationalist positions that I'm like, why isn't everybody In the field taking the same the same positions that he's taking, right like I grew up frustrated, I'm like, Dang Trump, like I'm a Trump supporter, and you know, basically endorsed the due to my articles. But I wish on a couple of these issues on my man like I hope the Vic can say, I don't know if you pay attention in the back in 2013. I think it was 2020. I was 22. When Don Alphonse was running against Greg Abbott. I don't really think Hassan's thought he had a chance but have funds wanted to run to the route of Abbott to push him on a few issues with COVID-19 with the border and with a slew of other issues. And I think in the same way, I hope Ramaswamy is doing the same thing for Trump, because the Santa certainly isn't. You know, for some reason, I think that the Santas the reason that the Sanders has collapsed, nearly 10 points in the polls since he announced is because he is running to the moderate centrist side of the Republican Party. And we've already got our slew of candidates that are doing that already. I mean, with with pins with Christy, with Haley, like they're already doing that, like that that portion of the party is covered by the weak slew of candidates that we have in the GOP already today. And I think that's where the sand is, is struggling if to say it, and Rhonda Santas was running a similar campaign of Eric Ramaswamy. Right now, I really believe believe he'd be polling closer to Donald Trump. Now do I believe he would win? Probably not. I think Trump is probably showing his Iron Fist with the party, especially through the indictments. But if DeSantis wanted to real shot the cotton on the nomination, you know, at least when it's something that's over 15% as predicted by 530, a couple other websites, if he wanted a real chance the nomination or at least somewhat of a chance, he would run the campaign that they've grown Swamis running as an alternative to Donald Trump. And you're also not hearing him say anything negative about Trump. He's just like, I'm really on my desk, because I want my message to spread amongst the GOP, which I really admire. But because that's his problem is he's running as the Trump alternative. And When has that ever worked throughout the candidacy of Donald Trump in 2015 2020. And now 2024 Has it now things like, I'm going to use the messaging to do this, I'm going to use my own populist messaging to hit on what I'm running on. That works. That's why Ramaswamy is polling very close, and polling third and fourth. But I think it's a really good good thing, because the further rot that the Republican Party has pushed on issues that I think can at least appeal to the independent voter, things like war, things like the deep state, things like using the judicial system to punish political opponents. Those are things that independents can say, hey, you know, I'm not necessarily agree with them on health care, I don't necessarily agree with them on abortion. But I can at least see how the government is being weaponized against a political party. And I think Ramaswamy is doing a really good job at requiring the Republican Party to run to the rods on things they need to run to the rat about.

Brian Nichols  
There's a couple of things I want to unpack there. First, going back to the Santas, it's been no secret, I've been much more leaning in favor towards DeSantis. I was more in that camp. And I've articulated this many times in the show because of the way he handled COVID, specifically in Florida, making Florida one of the best states and really being able to make his case and defend his case and really do a good job doing so helping lead Florida to be the number one most moved to state in the country over the past year or so. So that in mind, I've always been more in favor of when it was the Trump versus DeSantis argument. But looking at DeSantis right now he's really failing kind of in two areas. I think number one is charisma, right? There just doesn't really seem to be the energy that's needed. When you're running for office, right? And Trump, he comes across as a fighter he comes across as someone who's willing to go to bat for you the average citizen, whereas Ron or Ron, Ron DeSantis. Like he, he gives the impression and he did a good job during COVID A fight standing the fight, but then when you hear him on the campaign trail, it just feels so disconnected. It just feels like he's you know, he's guys lines in his head. He's got to recite them, you get his specific little calling card out there. And it's like that's that's all he gets this kind of those those canned responses. Whereas when you hear a veck, go on podcasts or have a vet go on, you talk shows or or morning shows, like you went on with Don Lemon, basically, he's the episode that got to him and fired over at CNN, like, just not only does Ramaswamy stand up and fight back, much like in that Trump contacts, but he does the thing that Trump or that DeSantis did so well in Florida. And that was, you know, list his case give his case specifically in the COVID example, but I think Ramaswamy does it even more to the next level. Right? He takes it beyond we're kind of DeSantis was was really good on the COVID issue. And he gets really good on a lot of other issues, whether it's talking about monetary policy or talking about some some foreign policy stuff where there is some you know, I have some question marks on his approach to China, but you there are some definite things I think he you know, to your point brings to the table and is changing the conversation, at least in the GOP or hopefully is making the average voter talk about those things. But I guess let me ask you, Kenny, because looking at Ramaswamy is he going to be able to get more support internally in the GOP from a Trump candidate? or a Trump supporter who loses favor with Trump? Or maybe somebody like DeSantis when folks lose more favor with the Santas, where do you think we're at Ramaswamy is going to grow his base and the GOP? Will he be able to grow his base in the GOP?

Kenny Cody  
I think he will definitely get more backing and more bases from from the DeSantis camp. I mean, if you're thinking about voting for an alternative to Trump, you're looking at the slew of other candidates that are running. And I think over 50% of people, I think, in every poll are with Trump. So you're looking at a minority of the GOP anyway. And the Sanders is currently pulling around, like I said, five to 6%. I think I've seen him 10% In some polls, but not many. But I think Ramaswamy struggles is definitely his name recognition. I don't think I'll be honest, I've never heard of the Vic Ramaswamy before he ran for president. He's very he's very much grew on me. And I'm glad he is part of the conversation. And I'm glad he is running within the primary. But I think that when people are, look, people are not paying it. I'm going to be honest with you. Trump supporters themselves are not paying that much attention to anybody else besides Rana, science and Trump. And then repentance is potentially the DeSantis to trash him, Rob, because he's challenging Donald Trump in the first place. Where dissent were Ramaswamy is going to probably get the most amount of votes is trying to get the people who do want an alternative to Trump do want something else but still want those populace tropes, those nationalist ideologies, that they see the republican party going forward in the direction in but still not wanting Trump thinking, you know, he doesn't have a chance to general or thinking that he, you know, is past his prom or is too old or whatever, but they still want everything Trump is just a younger or somebody else and mounting those. I think people that are supporting Santas kind of thought he was gonna be that but now this campaign being the disaster that it is, and I know just a month in but it's it's pretty telling that it was two months in that he has dropped him points. I think that that base that are looking for the alternative, those populist nationalist that thought their DeSantis was the next coming, are now kind of trying to see okay, well, you know, my probably wasn't great for the national spotlight. But Vivek, is pretty much ready. I don't know if he's ready to be out if he has a name recognition to be the nominee. I personally don't think any realist doesn't think he does, either. But I do think he was ironically, more ready to be thrust into the national spotlight going on talk shows being asked have questions that Ron DeSantis was, which is a huge, huge, huge surprise to me. I mean, I thought, like you said, the status handling COVID him going on national talk shows talking about COVID. But I really think that word Assange has probably struggled at the most was the first first kind of show that he that was wrong. So it really was CNN was Fox News with MSNBC. And really all we ever saw from Ron DeSantis was go on Fox News, and probably all of Florida media. He was kind of in a bubble. And I think that's where the Sanders has kind of failed in connecting to the American people is he was always in his bubble in Florida. And if he wanted a pat on the back, he would go on Fox News. While the drone saw me it's assigned to go into the lion's den Trump is signing go into the lion's den and doing a CNN town hall, Caitlin Collins, these people are preparing what is going to be ahead of them in the 24th campaign, whoever the nominee is, has got to be ready to combat the mainstream media and combat the establishment is gonna be working against them. Ramaswamy is ready for that Trump is ready for that DeSantis is not and I think that's where this Ramaswamy is going to be able to get the most amount of support are those former Trump supporters that either want something new, or those that will support Trump eventually, when he is the nominee, and that I know plenty of people, I know a few at least three to four people that are around me that will will be voting for Ramaswamy impotency primary solely because they just admire as far as they know he doesn't have a chance they're going to support on Trump the general basis, they still generally support Trump for the primary. They don't want the scientists but they're gonna give Ramaswamy the vote because they feel like he's earned it. They feel like he's running on the correct things that they want the party to mold after the future is that they're going to vote for him in the primary. And I don't blame them. I want them to vote for Trump, personally, because that's what I'm gonna be voting for in the primary. But I don't really blame people who are voting for Ramaswamy because, for one, they want an alternative. The scientist was not the guy. He's not going to be the alternative. And they're like, We don't want to go back to the Bush era Republican. Paul era politics with Nikki Haley decide whether when Nikki Haley kind of would DeSantis chris Christie and Mike Pence, so they're going to give this guy a vote. And he's really setting himself well up for the future. I think a lot of people run in for the four years prior want to run four years down the road if they if he wants to run in 2028. He is setting himself really a really well here or for a congressional office or for a new material office. Whenever Mac Dhawan gets out, I know he's from Ohio. I really do see a future for the VEC. And I think he's done a really good job. And it's really ambivalent of how much populism is really intrinsic in the Republican Party because people are going to move very slowly because he the populace, they're literally not going to beg for any other reason, besides the populist nationalist tropes that he is speaking to. And I think it's really positive and I think it's a very Good thing for the Republican Party and the Democrat part of the RFK, Jr, that those alternatives are being met with some sort of support.

Brian Nichols  
So for final thoughts, I'll kick things off Kenny, I'm kind of a team to veck right now, I you know, this point, if I had to cast my vote in the GOP primary, it would be for VEC. I really feel that a candidate like vec, to kind of what we were talking about here today, he represents what the GOP could be right at its best. I know, there's a lot of folks in the GOP who don't like the veck, because he is really coming into the party and really pushing it right. It's, it's really Trump was the bull in the china shop. But nobody really knew where that bull was gonna go when I was in the china shop, whereas VEC is telling you what he's going to do. And he's exactly telling you how he's going to do it. And he has an end destination in mind, and he will destroy as necessary as he goes through. And I think that actually scares some people more than someone like Trump. And to your point about DeSantis DeSantis does seem to curry a lot more favor with your more establishment types here in the GOP. And if that's the case, then I mean, how much can he really stand up against the regime when it needs to be fought back against internally in the GOP, the likes of the old John McCain's or the Mitt Romney's? We really need to do better. The George Bush GOP is no more that died in 2015. With Donald Trump on the debate stage with Jeb Bush and in South Carolina, embarrassing him and you know, basically saying your your brother lied us into the war in Iraq, and then go ahead and the next day and destroy in the primaries and wins the state. I mean, that's when the old neocon neocon perspective and the GOP really died. But you see the remnants, it still exists, and there still is this kind of, like old empire, they use the Star Wars analogy mentality of trying to get this, this old remnant of the Empire back like in the first order, even though the sequels to the sequels was just terrible, but that's a different conversation for a different day. Kenny, that's my final thoughts. What do you have on your end?

Kenny Cody  
I think the fact that the corona Swami and Donald Trump are polling within the top three of the GOP is a positive thing for populism. It's a positive things that are put for the Republican Party. You know, you see all these Republicans, you see a lot of these moderate Republicans, these establishment libertarians, I'm sure that you've seen it in the LP, where people are going, Hey, populism is a bad thing. It's the antithesis to liberty. I think it's a nonsense. I think populism is just a way to finally fight back. But the pays people to hate us the most and fighting back does not have to mean embracing the government making it larger, shouldn't punish our enemies. That's not what populism means. It just means identifying who already our enemies are. And then knowing how we can win, connecting to voters and seeing what are their problems with the LEDs, what their problems with our government are with it, what their problems with what the weaponization of federal power is, and then seeing what other issues they care about, you know, many people were the only issues to care about is the like you said the message of the show, and I think it should be the message the Republican Party, you we have got to find a way people that are struggling with health care, people are struggling with taxes, people are struggling with inflation, people are struggling with immigration. So how do we know how to combat those issues? How do we know how to identify those voter issues? We use populism, we can't say, Hey, I can't afford health care. And I really don't know what to do. And we can't say Well, too bad pulping bootstraps, that doesn't work. Okay, on any level, it's why establishment terian. Republicanism has been rejected in 2015. And in every level in electoral politics, you can't tell somebody, the old Republican trope of America is the greatest country in the world. And you've got to pull up bootstraps and work and you'll get where you want to be. That is not where we have we have got to message in a different way. We've got to say, Hey, what are your problems? What are you struggling with right now? What are you concerned with in the American government? What are you concerned with the federal government? What are you concerned with your state government where he is concerned with with corporations? What battles Do you want to the GOP thought that isn't caving on anything? That isn't going to socialism? That isn't going to progressivism? That is being common sense. That is identifying political issues that people care about the fast they want to see the people who we are paying people don't realize politicians are paid by the taxpayer. So whatever the taxpayer wants to see the politicians fight for, and whenever Avenue peep, Republicans and Democrats are going to handle health care, abortion, immigration in different ways, but they need to at least identify the voter issues and then come up with political are based at resolutions, where that's on the Republican side of the aisle with things like abortion restrictions, whether that's privatizing health care, whether that's being for Medicare and in states and at funding for TennCare and things like that. Or you're looking at immigration, you're looking at medical marijuana, you're looking at how you abolished state departments, you're looking at how to cut down on the FBI and the CIA weaponizing their power against an incumbent president or political opponent If you're just listening Papa's all populism is broad. It's just listening to the voter and listening to the issues that they care about. And that's all what the Republican Party to do. I'm not asking them to go to this idea of socialism that the progressives on the left side of the aisle are I'm leaving that to the Bernie Sanders of the world. Okay. But I do want the Republican Party to say, Okay, tell me host a town hall ideologically. Listen to what voters care about, listen to what the issues that they want to see them their representatives, their president, their senators, their governors thought for, and whether it's the solution that they agree with or not, at least come up with a solution. Don't ignore issues that people are people's lives are frankly, depending on I will listen to voters and I want us to win through listening to voters.

Brian Nichols  
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