744: Unapologetically American - July 4th & the Ideas that Defined America

Brian Nichols  
It's okay to be proud to be an American. Let's talk about that. Instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. What is Brian because you're on The Brian Nichols Show. Thanks for joining us on top horse. Another fun filled episode. I am as always your humble host. Joining you live from our BNC Studios here in lovely Eastern Indiana. Today we are doing a throwback episode going back to last year July 4, when we sat down with our good friend, Kenny Cody, and we talked about why Yeah, it's okay despite 38% of Americans saying they are not proud to be Americans are proud to be an American. Why now? Is it okay? It's encouraged for you to actually stand up and say yes, I am proud to be an American focusing on the ideas of liberty, the ideas of freedom that help truly make this country as great as it is. So I want to go ahead and bring you back to July of 2022. With our good friend Kenny Cody here on The Brian Nichols Show. We have a good friend who's going to join us here in the program. We're talking about July 4, and the importance of celebrating the ideas of liberty of freedom ideas that truly helped make America one of the freest countries back in the day and why it's so important for us to get back to focusing on those ideas. But before I go ahead and introduce today's guest first I want to go ahead and give a shout out to today's sponsor and that is the expat money podcast head over to the Brian Nichols show.com forward slash expat and check out the expat money podcast. Why? Because you want to protect your money that you work so hard to earn from ambulance chasing lawyers, nefarious creditors and greedy unjust governments. our good buddy McHale Thorpe over at the expat money podcast says that he helps people just like you invest internationally secure second passports and residencies, eliminate your tax bill and take advantage of offshore structures so you can travel the world freely and never have to worry about money again. Also, we'll make sure we have the link here for the expat money summit taking place November 7 through November 11. Five days 30 expert speakers and by the way, that virtual summit it's free. Brian Nichols show.com. Forward slash expat alright folks I mentioned he's a returning guest here on the program and he's a good dear friend, Kenny Cody from Cody's concerns. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Hey, Brian, how are you? Brother doing good. Happy Friday, my friend. How are things in Tennessee.

Kenny Cody  
You're great little hot, as we talked about for the podcast started. But I used to get a little sweat on going down to Florida for my friend's wedding next week. But let me repeat with you. I've been writing articles I've been trying to be politically active as I can be. But I'm just glad to be here. You've been

Brian Nichols  
busy. That's an understatement. And you actually just wrote an article over at Town Hall, which is inspiring today's conversation because here we're recording on July 1. For those who are here in The Brian Nichols Show audience You're likely listening to this, as you're either just heading out for your festivities maybe going and visiting some friends and family or you're listening to this over the weekend, as you're enjoying said festivities. Well, if that's the case, well, let's talk about why we're celebrating this week and why we are in fact celebrating July 4, and it goes back to the ideas of liberty of freedom of them being overtly American ideals, American principles that we brought not just to this continent, but to the world. And we yet took inspiration from a lot of classical liberal thinkers that were the first ones to actually do it. Now, have we lost our way? Absolutely. And I don't think anybody out there would argue with that in the slightest. However, that's why July 4, I think is so special, because it gives us a chance to focus on those very principles and ideals that we in the greater liberty movement we embrace every single day. But it seems like for a moment, everybody else in America at least acknowledges that those principles those ideals existed, if not now at one point in time. And let's talk about why you wrote this article over at town hall. And that was the importance of bringing America first ideals to conservatives. I'm making the argument I think we should do the same thing to libertarians, specifically with those ideas being the ideas and principles of liberty and freedom. Kenny, talk to us America first. What is it that you're seeing from the perspective of America first, that conservatives can win on?

Kenny Cody  
Well, and few issues, right? I mean, last week or two we've seen the virtue signaling left and that's the enemies of both libertarians and conservatives. You know, kind of virtue signaling made people feel bad about the morality when it comes to guns when it comes to abortion. And it's a it's a strange phenomenon. You know, I think a lot of conservatives have lost their way and being proud of the actual values that conservatives win was based on you know, we've always been pro life. We've always been programmed Pro Second Amendment was a few aspects of the American first movement. I think they're kind of new when it comes to criminal justice reform when it comes to foreign policy and anti interventionist mindset when it comes to America's approach to foreign policy. But the last few weeks, we kind of see a lot of Republicans on my side cake right when it comes to the 12 senators who voted for the gun control bill that was sponsored by the baton administration and pushed by the ballot administration and was sponsored by Democratic senators, you know, 12 of them voting for more gun control and more collapses on our second amendments. And then when it comes to a course abortion you know, we've been in a lot of conservatives and a lot of libertarians at least pro life libertarians that I'm friends with have been celebrating the overturning of Roe v Wade and the ruling of knobs you know, for once you know, giving power back to the states the way it's supposed to be when we when national policy is not supposed to be aside you know, abortion was never included in the Constitution. It was never interpreted to be in the Constitution until Roe v Wade about overturning allows Ross to make abortion either illegal or restricted or whatever in states as the way it was supposed to be. But for some reason the left is trying to make this morality argument that if you're you know, if you're pro life then you're anti woman or you're anti child and you're pro death you're for anti you're anti health care your if not for women be able to have safe health care. And I think all these arguments orient him with the UVA massacre you know, it's our fall pro Second Amendment pro gun people it's our fault that children got massacred in Texas, you know, all these argumentations have made conservatives I think fall by the wayside when it comes to be proud of the actual belief systems that make conservatism that make us be proud to be America first and make us be proud to be Americans in general. And the article basically talks about they're always going to do this right the left is the left for so long. The Democrat party the left the the even if you want to talk about those who are even further left of those, the establishment Democratic Party are always going to virtue signal are always gonna make conservatives and libertarians feel bad about the way that they believe government should work. And the article is basically saying, you know, it's bashing back and saying, don't be afraid and don't be ashamed. Be proud to be a conservative, be proud to be a libertarian, be proud to prioritize your country and your country's people over foreign interests over bureaucracies, interests, okay? Or bureaucrat, interests actually prioritize your people and actually prioritize the way government is supposed to work. And the reason we were founded the way we were founded, given individualism back to individuals, giving states the right to make their own laws to be overwash and overlooked by the federal government. You know, I think conservatives oftentimes are the ones that feel bad. Unfortunately, I know that the left never feels bad about any position that they take, whether it's a you know, pro choice, whether it's anti gun, whether it's canceled culture, whether it's you know, destroying somebody's lab because of the way they believe that they don't feel bad that we do for some reason. So it's basically a rallying call the concerns this July 4. Don't be ashamed of the way that you believe don't bow down to bureaucrats don't bow down to authoritarians, try to make you feel bad about the way that you believe we proud to be conservative, be proud to be a libertarian and be proud to be an American was basically the message of North. Yeah, and

Brian Nichols  
let's be happy warriors, right. I mean, I saw a comment. I remember where it was, they made us on Twitter, somebody said I was the Gary Vee of the liberty movement, which I it made me audibly laugh out loud. But let's look at that for a second. Because one of the things Gary Vee leads with is the idea of leading with honey, not vinegar, trying to put out happiness put out goodness into the world. And the reality is, is that there is a large, large group of people in America who are desperately demanding pleading for some type of good news. They're so exhausted of the political back and forth. And they're just looking for people like good people, leading with good solutions with good hearts with good souls, good energy, like that's what people want. And we've seen yet there has been this reversion, especially by the the folks in the left to go more towards these negative just, you know, to your point, you don't support legislation. So you want someone to die like that, that has turned the conversation, so much more vitriolic. And with that it's made it impossible to actually have truly a conversation. And with that, I think it's important to your point, instead of excusing away the things you believe that the principles that you espouse, it's important for us to put our flag down and not only just what we believe, but do so in a welcoming manner, we should be opening our doors to people who are interested in doing things in a different way. And yet, what's funny, and I this kind of struck me, Kenny, as we were talking about this is that it's not really that different of a way, if anything, it's just a reversion back to the adherence of principles that we really embraced that made us back to my original point, one of the strongest best countries in the world until we lost our way.

Kenny Cody  
Right and you know, mean, you were talking about before the podcast was American first mean, right? I mean, I think a lot of people from viewed as this nationalist, you know, try To attach it to like Neo Nazism and transition like white nationalists to fellow it's about, you know, the America first catchphrase itself was originally defined in World War Two in World War One as as a comedian I believe that's embodied this catchphrase and was for non interventionism. You know, let's defend our allies. Let's defend ourselves as defend America's interests first, instead of just seeing nameless taxpayer funds, moonless men to go fight on behalf of other countries problems and other countries issues, rather than just prioritizing ourselves and prioritizing the reason that we're we are anti interventionist, right? I mean, anti interventionist itself is America first. And I think a lot of libertarians, at least on the LP, you know, a lot of the LP establishment people or the Democratic Party that is so embedded in trying to be anti Russia view, America purchased this, you know, racist, nationalist, xenophobic sort of movement. And that's not just what it is it's prioritizing the American people and then includes soldiers that includes federal government employees and includes stakeout employees, that includes the everyday American that's working in small towns, it's working in urban cities, working in big cities, that's everybody in America. That's how that's what American policy is supposed to be. You know, if we were supposed to be this international law is international government, we would leave that but we are America's government, we are America's Foundation, okay? We're the movement that can sort of limit the libertarian movement, the democratic movement, whatever you want to talk about parties or whatever, they are all making an advocate for laws that are going to affect Americans, they're not going to affect or have II care about what's going to happen in other countries, and they shouldn't. And that's what America first prioritizes but for some reason, you know, conservatives, libertarians are made to feel bad about not caring, and not not only was he not caring, but not willing to send money into sin efforts and to send soldiers to die on behalf of other countries, citizens or on behalf of other countries government because of their own failures and their own bankruptcy and stuff like that. Right. I mean, we've said, I think the only country that has sent more than us, or at least at least in comparison to us to Ukraine has been Estonia. And that's pretty funny, right? I mean, you know, Syrian NATO country giving tons of billions of dollars of taxpayer funding, you know, hear of any UN countries you don't hear of any EU countries, it's all about, you know, America being the world's police in America being the ones that fund wars and are be heavily heavily to the military industrial complex. And these organizations and these groups that prioritize international collectiveness right, and ISIL, collectivism, and uniting as a world to solve a world problem. And with the America First movement, you catchphrase that people who believe in America first say no, let's for our towns, what are going on in our country, let's look at what routes are being taken away. Let's look at what babies need to be saved through, you know, overturning of Roe v Wade and the state's rights to be able to make laws to save the most amount of children. Let's look at these issues. Before we even think about considering making laws that are going to prioritize other countries and other foreign foreign policy over our own. Let's it is a nationalist movement. It is a net nationalist, that doesn't necessarily mean anything bad. It's just caring about your own country and caring about the citizens that are existing in your country. So and that's made with articles about its nationalists of being patriotic being that America First is being prioritizing Americans and prioritizing American policy instead of being benevolent or beholden to another country, and being beholden to a bureaucracy of our own right. The leftist wants to grow government expansion, they want to grow the federal government and they want state governments to be beholden to the federal government, which is against the idea and the foundation of federalism, right? But for some reason, it's viewed as this anti, you know, anti the xenophobic, racist, sort of insult being used to describe the movement. And that's trying to make Republicans conservatives and libertarians feel bad about the way that they believe. And then again, that's what the article argues, is don't be ashamed. And I'll understand why Republicans libertarians have lost their backbone in terms of that. Don't give up to the people that hate you, because they wouldn't give it up for your criticism, right, Republicans and libertarians can criticize the left all day, you're never going to be ashamed of the way they believe. And we shouldn't be either.

Brian Nichols  
Here or here, Cody here, here. And you know, who else really stood by their morals and stood by their convictions? Back when it really counted was our founding fathers, the framers, the founders of this country? And you know, there was one quote, the tree of liberty must be watered by from time to time from the blood of tyrants who said that

Unknown Speaker  
it's good old TJ right? Yes, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1  
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Kenny Cody  
Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it playing offense is the ideal strategy when it comes to politics. I mean, if you're defending your position you're making there's some foul right, you're not you're meeting there's faults and there's holes in your argumentation. But the you know, I may believe this, but this is really what I believe that don't do that you're proud and be unashamedly unabashedly, America, first be unabashedly libertarian, be unashamed to be a conservative, whatever you believe. And I encourage you in the left to do that, and they and the problem is they do that anyway. Right. Like they do it anyway. But they always argue, as if their position or their policy is the only one. And that's the reason we should argue, okay? We're not we're on the point of bipartisanship at this point. Okay? bipartisanship went away in 2020. And that's my viewpoint least bipartisanship, in terms of the way government should govern their citizens went away when we were locked down. And when people lost their livelihoods when suicide rates, drug overdoses went up, because the Democrat party to control and lock people down on their homes, okay, for a political poll in to blame a virus on a certain ideology or a certain approach to government, state governments and governance itself. That would let me and it's time to stop being bipartisan in that regard. And the left is not about partisan for a very, very long time when it comes to the approach to governance. And I think they're Republicans xers need to start being like the left in that regard. I know that sounds really strange, but we need to stop being weak. And we need to stop being moderates, we need to stop being these Squish, because I mean, the Swiss positions where we are feeling bad or we are caving on one or two issues, so we can we would be the good guys, then Republicans that the Democrats slack or the Republicans that the independents lie, because they're not so far out or not. So whatever you want to say not so, you know, Trumpian or Trump and wherever that whatever you want to describe somebody as a Trump errs, wherever, stop being that, like, Stop, Katie. And that's the message that I'm going to try to send the people is, for such a long time, the left has been so proud of the way they believe, you know, in being pro woman and being pro minority and being pro black and being you know, pro whatever they can do to virtue signal to segments or if a part of the population, different parts of the electorate, and they feel so good about themselves, you know, that if you look at my tweet on Twitter, you're gonna see a lot of like Nazis, like, people call me a Nazi, because I'm just America first. And it's similar to Germany's national nationalist base and not to the 30s and 40s. And it's as I don't care. Like that has to be the attitude as I don't care what people say about the way that I believe because guess what, it's what I believe, is the reason that I am a libertarian is the reason I'm a conservative written on Republican is because of the way that I believe if I was not sure if I was not sure about the way that I believe or I was not confident in the value Using the belief systems that I prioritize, and I write about that I advocate for the tenants that I campaign for the tenants that I write about the issues that I write about. And they're the topics and the values that base my ideology. If I'm not proud of that, there's no point of being a political activist. There's no point in running for office. And I've done that I've done that. And being chairman, I've done that. And being a journalist and be a freelance opinion columnist, convenience to activist in general, like if I didn't believe these value systems and these belief systems that have found that they have set the foundation for my entire approach to politics and my passion for public servitude. If I did not have that, there would be no point. And if I was not proud of that, and was unabashedly, as I say in the article, proud of the way that I believe my approach, and my belief systems about government, and Western civilization, and culture wouldn't be sitting here with you right now. But the thing about it is, I am very proud, I don't care people say about me, I don't care what you say about the people in our lock. I don't care about the people to say I'm a racist, misogynist, or Nazi or whatever. I don't care and Republicans and conservatives libertarians need to stop caring about criticism. Okay? There's there's a difference between being criticized and being say that we can improve on this approach on this and you're going to be able to make it better. That's a difference in me that's been made called an insulted and they'd say that your morality is at an all time low because you believe this way your that you believe our programs, you're pro abortion, whatever. There's a difference. And Republicans and conservatives and libertarians seem to be forgetting that difference. There is a very thin line between criticism and insult. And unfortunately, conservatives care far too much about the insults they receive from progressive left that if we insult them in the same way, they don't care, right? They don't care because they still feel good and are proud of the way they believe in even if it's fake or whatever. They're proud. They're pro Ukraine. They're proud that they're trying to virtue signal to minorities, they're proud that they're pro abortion and pro choice. Like they're, they're proud of that. And we need to be proud of the way that we believe because we lose credibility if we don't. And I say that article. The reason people respected in 2016 Donald Trump was because he was unabashedly himself, and he was unabashed about the way that he believed reason the Tea Party movement succeeded in the tooth in the 2000 10s is because we believe that the federal government, we believe that time that the federal government was being authoritarian that caused the housing market to crash, they caused the recession because of their ineptitude, together, right. Voters love your unabashedly proud of the way that you believe. And we need to stop caving, we need to stop being weak when it comes to the most important issues when it comes to war. When it comes to guns, when it comes to abortion, these three issues are some of the most passionate and polarizing issues of our time. But we need to be proud of our positions and quick KB to the left. Because that guarantee you, they're not going to cave, well, they want to lock you down, and they want to make sure that the government has ruined your life again, just be proud. That's basically my entire point is don't be ashamed of the way that you believe and you will win more you'll be able to govern the way you want to govern. You don't govern by cable, you don't count on that being weak, you govern by being proud of what you believe in. And on July 4, I want conservatives to remember that

Brian Nichols  
Kenny Cody bringing a fire Yeah, gotta love it. And also this kind of reiterates, we just had a recent guest in the program, Chris whitener, who talked about if you're winsome, and you lead with the ideas, and the really the presenting yourself as a winning team a winning solution, then you might win some and that is absolutely true, right? To your point, Kenny, why it's so important to lead with your principles lead with their convictions and do so unabashedly and, but I will say it is important for us to acknowledge that there are times when we can acknowledge that maybe we were wrong when we're presented with new facts, new information. And that's okay, you have the right to change your mind. But if there are certain things that are just deep held principles and values that you firmly believe, and I firmly encourage you as those kind of here to please embrace those as well and lead with them. And then as we kind of wrap things up today for final thoughts. My final thoughts for the audience today is declare your independence, please take a step. And Kenny said he thought bipartisanship died in 2020. Kenny, I think bipartisanship died far, far before that, but frankly, I think a lot of people out there also acknowledged that because we see by the virtue of over 50% of the American Electric electorate not voting in national elections. People are tired, they're burnt out and they're politically just disengaged, apathetic, agnostic. So I've said many a time here in the program, you might not want to get involved with politics, but politics is going to get involved with you whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats, it doesn't matter which team you're on. If you're on a team, business owners, if you're if you're out there and you've just So over the past two years, the direct impact of what government can do to you, when they can snap their fingers and say, You're not essential anymore, we're going to shut your business down for an arbitrary amount of time. It could be a couple of weeks could be a couple months. Who knows? How can you then say, well, I don't want to get politically involved. I don't want to get politically active. Okay, back to my point, you don't want to get involved with politics, politics is going to get involved with you. So how do you get away from politics going after you in a negative sense, it requires you to get involved, you have to declare your independence from this old way of thinking and actually start to lean in a different way. Back when we talked about in July 4, what did the founders do? They declared independence from at the time the largest empire that the world had ever seen the United Kingdom, the Great Great Britain, right that the big, bad United Kingdom, you're watching the Patriot you get all fired up, you

Speaker 1  
want to go be Mel Gibson, right? So you see, that is where we went. And that idea of of being, being strong in your convictions enough to do what you need to do to say what you need to say. And to your point, not be afraid of what you're saying to do so unabashedly proudly, and to your point, in this case, leading with the ideas that help make America first. That being said, Kenny, Cody, final thoughts for the audience on

Brian Nichols  
your side today.

Kenny Cody  
Be proud. And like you say, Brian, I mean, I mean, you no matter what happens, no matter if you'd like politics, or you hate politics, and I completely understand those who do, it's gonna affect you eventually. And especially locally, you know, when we have experienced what we have the last two or three years we've experienced now, and combined, right with presidential election, the term parties, we went through a period of time or COVID, locked down millions of people, and destroying 1000s upon 1000s of businesses and livelihoods that in that regard, we witnessed the greatest tomato or a Supreme Court decision in the last 50 years in the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and we have had our Second Amendment challenged by those on the left will never rob us of our Second Amendment rights. It's going to affect you eventually will you believe so? We're not what you believe that politics matter. They don't they do. And I encourage you if you're not running like me, if you're not doing podcasts like Ron, if you're not gonna go run for public office, at least be active. Know that voting matters. And I know that sounds strange, because a lot of people left want to pan out Republicans as we don't want you to vote we I didn't want you to vote. And once you realize what government's doing to you behind your back, and what government is doing to behind closed doors, realize that the reason that bureaucrats and the reason that are like officials are allowed to run your life is because of how you're putting in there. No matter if it's locally, statewide, or federally, they control your life. Unless you stop it unless you let people it's gonna leave you alone. I encourage people no matter if they hate politics, and like I said, I understand completely why people do it. It's very polarized. But regardless, you need to be active, you need to realize that even if you're not active is still going to affect you. So you might as well be active and you might as well vote and be proud. And remember, values matter the most to you. And then that was when that's my message in the article is to conservatives. If these issues were matter to you, and you're very passionate about something, if you're very passionate about a certain topic or issue and you feel like you never have to express it, express it, I don't care what it is, if you're in the left lane, if you rightly need you're down the middle and whatever. express what you believe in and be proud of what you believe in. I promise you will find your way to make a difference in politics if you were just proud of what you believe.

Brian Nichols  
Alrighty, folks, that's gonna wrap up our throwback episode to July 4 2022. With our good friend, Kenny Cody, where we where we outline why yes, it is important for us to be proud to be Americans. I hope you got some value from that episode, especially as we're airing today a day after July 4 2023. So with that being said, if you did get some value from today's show, please go ahead and give it a share. When you do tag yours truly at beaten nickels, liberty, Twitter and on Facebook. Also, you can go ahead. If you have not yet subscribed to The Brian Nichols Show over on your favorite podcast catcher. Well, you're missing out because we have over 740 other amazing episodes here of the program. So whether it's Apple podcasts, YouTube, Music, Spotify, or wherever it is, you get your podcast delivered, just go ahead, hit that subscribe and download all unplayed episodes also we have a video version of the show. So if you are over on YouTube, hit that notification bell and also hit that thumbs up button and also hit the subscribe button same as a single time we go live also rumble and Ben swans, sovereign media SOV r e n. Go ahead if you are joining us by the way over on sovereign wealth congrats you are getting today's episode before anybody else as a sovereign exclusive and you will get all sovereign exclusives over on sovereign big fan of Ben swans independent media if you'd not go ahead and join there please go ahead and do so. And a final thing if you want to go ahead and get this awesome t shirt I'm wearing Michael Scott 2024 which outlines his 40 day plan if you're a big office fan or if you have an office fan in the family you also is a big fan of politics. Go ahead to Brian Nichols show.com forward slash shop Get yours today use code TBNS at checkout for 15% off your order, other than that's all I have for you. So with that being said, Brian, I'm signing off here on The Brian Nichols Show for Kenny Cody. We'll see you next time.

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