731: Debt Ceiling Countdown: America's Ticking Time Bomb & a Middle Class Being Inflated Away

Brian Nichols  0:27  
Say goodbye to the middle class and hello to centrally controlled tyranny. Let's talk about that instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Hey there, folks, Brian, here on The Brian Nichols Show. And thank you for joining us for another fun filled episode. I am as always your humble host. Joining us live from our CUNY N C. Studio. And let's talk about today's topic of conversation that is the absolute destruction of our economy. Is it just naturally happening? Or is there some nefarious actors behind the scenes? Joining us to discuss that and more, Joe go seryan Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show.

Joe Gulesserian  1:19  
Thank you for having me on, Brian. Good day.

Brian Nichols  1:21  
Good day. Indeed. Joe, thank you for joining the program, looking forward to digging into all things about the economy. But first, do us a favor, introduce yourself to The Brian Nichols Show audience.

Joe Gulesserian  1:32  
My name is Joe cola Sarina. I'm the author of the practical MBA and economics. I'm an entrepreneur I've taught before in college. And that's that's that's about my background here. And the book I created was very hands on easy to read. And it gives a lot of people protection for the coming tsunami. Yes. There you go.

Brian Nichols  1:56  
We're feeling it. Yeah. And let's talk about what we're feeling right now. Because we're recording here today, for posterity sake on was it may 24 25th, may 25. And right now, we are currently facing the debt ceiling crisis. Is it a crisis, I'll ask you and let your you respond, and political turmoil back and forth. But looking at where our economy has been to where it's headed Joe, there's a lot of stuff up in the air for uncertainty give us some groundwork here.

Joe Gulesserian  2:25  
Well, we've got inflation. And the issue becomes, and I'll start with just the middle class and inflation, what happens is, we don't really have a generation or two, that's really either run companies or experienced inflation, we can't take the pain along time. So we think inflation is just going to go away, it's coming down, it could go back up, it took 15 years last time. So strap on your boots. In terms of the middle class, the idea is to inflate the middle class away, so those who have huge assets. And if they go up, let's say real estate, certain equities that'll go up 10%, the the poor don't generally have assets, and the middle class will eventually be inflated away, especially with a lot of Gen Xers and Zetas that are gonna have a difficult time buying homes. So once you inflate the middle class away, there's no history, or there's no example in civilization of having a stable society, a free society without a vibrant middle class because in my view, the middle class is the social conscience of the society and hold the pillars of the society and the country together because they believe in those things.

Brian Nichols  3:41  
Well, we just watched over the past three years. I don't want to say it was a targeted attack in the middle class but man it sure felt like it you see government saying alright, we're going to arbitrarily was arbitrarily decide who's going to be locked down and who's not we're determining not only that, but it's going to be based on this essential who's non essential and just seemingly, the non essential folks, air quotes are non essential, ended up being a lot of those middle class individuals who had their small businesses and they couldn't put in place all of the requirements that the government was pushing forth and you're feeling you're right now right that the middle class has been absolutely kneecap Joanie, I mean, one can't help but feel was it was targeted?

Joe Gulesserian  4:20  
Yes. It was it was targeted and not just that the middle class they printed money. And, you know, here's where the inflation the the Genesis and we'll go right to the middle class and the particular medical emergency. The central banks during the emergency printed $5 million the the tray Treasury itself spent over 7 trillion more than they brought in this year alone. They're gonna go one and a half trillion in the hole. So you got $12 trillion in the economy. They A they pretty well went into the economy, the cash moved through all the money and the supplies in today's economy and you got inflation people go, how did that happen? Now, in terms of the emergency, of course, government always likes an excuse for their, you know, any crisis is a great excuse. So in terms of an emergency, what's happened, Brian is this if I had to define in the history of civilization, not just in the United States, but on a global basis, if I had to define the most, I would say, the biggest failure ever written by government in the history of civilization, I would say, quintessentially, it was the medical emergency, they took a small problem, and they created it into 25 times the problem, as far as I'm concerned. And so they made a big mess out of it. So one day when your kid gets older, and maybe in grade school, the teacher can put up on the board kids, what's the example of failure, and that will be the response to the I won't use the word called medical emergency, quintessential failure,

Brian Nichols  6:05  
we felt that now only with the conversations we've had more recently with some of our guests talking about where this medical emergency came from China, but also the fact that it was I mean, it wasn't out of the blue, right. And goodness, I don't want to put my conspiracy hat on here. But you got the who now warning that the next pandemic is going to be even worse than the COVID pandemic we just experienced. So that's fun. But let's go towards a little bit more of how this economic failure has taken place. You mentioned the Treasury is a libertarian, I feel compelled to mention the central bank and the Fed and all that. So let's go ahead and tie this together. How does this all come together to where we have seen skyrocketing inflation? And now, as a country, we're facing a cataclysmic demise? Economically speaking, if we do not go ahead and raise the debt ceiling, at least that's what Janet Yellen has been saying, Joe, what are your thoughts?

Joe Gulesserian  7:00  
Well, well, you really gave me a ton to unpack there. Okay, I'll have to kind of memorize it there. Okay. But what's happening, we're in a Ponzi scheme, the US government is at 34 trillion in debt, the the balance sheets are close to $9 trillion for the central bank. So put it in simple terms. $34 trillion, means approximately 200. It's in my book to $280,000 per American household. Well, when I add what they call a legacy obligations, pensions, and so on, so forth, obligations like that, incidentally, there's no money for pensions anywhere in the system. That's one of the reasons that that ceiling is being raised. Okay. So what you got here is you got 34 trillion approximately, in Treasury debt, government debt, federal, we're not going state, you've got another at conservative level $70 trillion, call it $100 trillion. What I state is there's $980,000 of government debt accumulated on every household in America. And that's part of the Ponzi scheme. So the central bank is printing, they're lending it to an insolvent government. And the question becomes, just like in the Middle Ages of Rome, the Pope would detest the emperor, the emperor would detest the Pope. And the Pope says, I have the right. And this is the relationship between treasury and central bank, I have the right to appoint the Emperor. And the Emperor says, no, no, I have the right to appoint the Pope. And that's where they are the relationship between the central bank. The other problem is this. You've got all the plebeians addicted to government, right. And as long as you've got them addicted to government, that's the turning around and calling the hitman to come in and do CPR on his victim. That's what that's basically equates to. So they're they're, they're weakened out. You saw, you probably have friends, you've met people that they're just weaker after this particular lockdown. Did they hit the psyche? This is not your grandfather's generation, where they'd look around at what happened and go, I'm just going to work in the morning, I got a family I got obligations go away. So you know, I won't go into it. But if people want to take a run at the free markets, that's fine. They're not perfect, but we haven't had a free market since President Harding and 1920 21. That was the end of it before then government could not bail out. And you're talking recessions which naturally cleanse out the economy and get rid of the weaker firms and clean out the distortions may have been the labor market asset prices, prices come into equilibrium. We can have an under that. We don't have the strength. How can I tell you I thought about before I came to your show this morning, and I said you know what? The problem in the West is we've gone from, you know, no, we got rid of Tyrion you Many 100 years ago, and we started getting into enlightenment, just like titler, the Scottish philosopher said, and now we had abundance and apathy and dependency. When you're in dependency, you're dealing with people. They're too scared to live, and they're too scared to die. So that's where they are.

Brian Nichols  10:17  
And let's go to the second part of my question, which I did stack there, I apologize. And that is the debt ceiling. Right, we're seeing this conversation, Janet Yellen, screeching from the rafters that we need to address this now. Otherwise, I guess the end of the world is coming. So talk to us about the debt ceiling and how that plays into the conversation here.

Joe Gulesserian  10:37  
Well, you got two political parties in the United States, right. So basically, they're basically two sides of the same cheek, if you will. But that being said, and what's really happened here is your you don't have enough money to pay your obligations, may be your police departments may be your civil service, so on and so forth, or even pension. So when you're going to get your pension, when you get old, you got government pension. That money's not there, they in the 1940s, or I believe Congress went into the pension funds, so that's not there. So they have to continually print, print print, and the day will eventually come where people will go, your money's not back. And the name of this game goes back to 1971, when Nixon took the US dollar off gold. And what happened during is once he took it off gold, he could print all he wants it. And that meant means I have more money for propaganda. I have more money to bribe my own electorate, where I'm not even bribing them with their own money. I'm bribing them with money. board their name, I've got more money for, for war, talking about Janet Yellen. You know, she was in Ukraine, I believe, in a month and a half ago. And I said, why she there? Well, you know, why was she repairing the Maytag laundry machines that they've got going there? You know, there's a lot of laundry going there. And you need a good old fashioned American Maytag to make sure all that laundry gets laundered, right. So I think you can read between the lines there. So there's just so much government no matter what part of these two parties that you're in, and I'm not taking run at any parties here. If one party says no, we're not going to agree to the debt ceiling increase, you know, what's going to happen? The the, the media, and Silicon Valley will turn around and say you have no compassion, you're not helping the poor, but you created the poor man come out of your coma. You know, let's

Brian Nichols  12:34  
Yeah, let's talk about because this feels like it was almost a part of a plan. But when we look at the now the discussion moving towards CBDCs, Central Bank, digital currencies, you look at going off the gold standard to where we are today. And now that being the seemingly inevitable next step, one can't help but think that this has been all part of a systematic plan to really just destroyed the purchasing power of the working class, and to line the pockets of these kleptocrats and tyrants that have not only taking over Washington, but are taking over this kind of global Cabal. Yeah, that's

Joe Gulesserian  13:11  
what I call it and and I did introduce the word the Cabal autocracy in the book. And I think for anyone who doesn't believe we're not living in a kleptocracy, you know, I don't know what to tell them. I'm not going to get into a rigorous debate. But what's happening to CB DC is this, the Ponzi scheme will eventually collapse. Okay. And I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bernie Madoff and Sam Backman fried, there are only protegees of the central bank and the US Treasury and how to really run a big time Ponzi scheme. So they will be wide eyed students. So what's going to happen is once the the the the dollar collapses or the whole fiat currency, financial systems collapse. Once that happens, they'll go, Oh, my people turn around. We need government to do something the central bank will create its central bank, digital currency, people like you will be awake and understand that it comes with a fair bit of perils. But what will happen is here's will be the kiss and the candy and the hook. I will tell people we're going to have you know, we're going to have wealth redistribution. I'm going to give everybody $1,000 us for coming on board, and people are going to go wow, that sounds great. I just can't wait. That'll be the hook. If anybody else, you know, kind of grumbles you know what? Nevermind. You pick door number two, you get $1,200 following month, you get 1400 This is fantastic. This is the best thing since the twist. This is the best thing since you know, they came up with all that pandemic response money. This is fantastic. I can stay home and watch King Kong Vs. Godzilla. You know, drink my beer and watch reruns of 1990s wrestling or 80s wrestling and you're just going to be fine. So you get them hooked up. And then what happens is, once I got people hooked on that, I know where you've been, I know that, you know, you, we you did an interview with this jogl Syrian. And I know that, for example, you bought a book that I need to prove you went to a protest that I didn't approve of. And to toe the line, all I have to do is touch your one button, press a button, and I can stop you from accessing your money, because I gotta get rid of private money. Getting rid of private money means getting rid of gold, which is real money. It's 100 US Constitution. And of course, Bitcoin. Now, I'm not going to debate Bitcoin in this particular show at this point. But I will say that once they have you on this digital central controlled currency, if you can't get your money, you can't eat, you can't get your money, you can't go to a go out and go to buy your medication if you need medication. But it goes deeper and deeper, they're going to build these 15 minute cities. And the plebeians will go in there and say, we're going to save the environment, which is great idea, we should not pollute. I buy that story. I'm with you. But what will happen there, Brian, is they're going to turn around and build these 15 minute cities, and overwatching our, our, you know, carbon footprints. Meanwhile, the aristocracy will fly in jets and built by carbon credits, and they'll be fine. And if you leave, and you get out of line, and you went and flew, you could have perhaps all taken an electric train, but you flew to New York to visit your family or Ohio, what have you, you will lose social credit scores, right? But the aristocracy, the Emperor's and you do have an aristocracy will be just fine with them. And so what you have is is, is really it's not just in America, but you really see in Europe, you have a cabal autocracy, and that's the interwoven relationship between the spook agencies meaning the FBI, CIA, NSA and the whole gang, right. You know, which is part of the Ministry of Propaganda. You've got the media, you've got Silicon Valley in Silicon Valley is so bad, especially when Zuckerberg said it on the Joe Rogan show that the FBI used to visit him on an ongoing basis just like Twitter. Well, if I was Mark Zuckerberg, I would be polite to the FBI and open up a star Starbucks, and they can turn around and have a double cappuccino and so forth when they come by to be socially you got to be hospitable. So then you've got your media, you've got your, you know, your your moral icons of Hollywood because they got to tell us how to vote because I, you know, we can't figure that part out. You've got academia, where people are getting indoctrinating, getting their hard drives, reformat it, they're pulling off Windows 10. And they're putting on events, Windows 1112, and so on and so forth. And there's, you know, there's other members and of course, the central bank is printing the money at this point. But that's a cabal, autocracy, all these institutions that we grew up believing in are compromised. And of course, there's government can't forget government. Right? And that's, you know, so together, there's many arms of the Ministry of Propaganda. And a good example is, and I'm not gonna go to the politics, the the one they fear fears is a colossal jostle would be to Branca and buckos, namely RFK. And Trump if they ran against each other. This is not what the political class wants, because you got true, you know, I'm not saying I like one or the other the other over the I'm not gonna argue that I'm not a geopolitical specialist, but you got true. Bronk and buckos they're already, you know, pointing spears at RFK. And, of course, you know, Trump is the best punching bag since George Cavallo got punched out over there a bit all day long by Mohammed Ali in the 70s. Anyways, that's past your time. So I gave you a big long speech there.

Brian Nichols  19:02  
No, that was that was helpful because this, this is the stuff your average person frankly, Joe, they don't pay attention to, because it's outside the purview. And sometimes it's hard to understand, and why I want to have you on the show today was to be able to not only explain this, but to help show the importance of how it does impact you and I mean, just you know, putting on my my sales guy hat here, right? One of the most important things in sales is to focus on the problem. And the impact of said problem. We talked about selling futures, not features. Well, sometimes people just don't see how well whatever politician XYZ is talking about how that actually impacts me. And sometimes people just say I whatever I assume that these people know what they're doing. They're they're in the bureaucracies they're in government for a reason. And I think that they seem competent enough so I'm just gonna blindly put my faith in them but to the point when you're actually trying to break this stuff down. Not only are they more often than not malevolent actors, but this stuff that seems like it's so above, you know, above the, I guess the perspectives of your average person, it really does end up impacting most directly, your average person. And that right there is the scary part. So I guess I say all that to say, Well, Joe, what can we do? Is it to have someone like RFK, Trump name, the, you know, Vivec Ramaswamy, that the alternative candidate here to actually go in and shake things up. But when I'm looking at this, this seems more systematic of an issue. So what can we do here to address this?

Joe Gulesserian  20:39  
Well, that's question I went on the show, and I said, next to calling your superheroes or, you know, I don't know what to tell you called Godzilla or King Kong or something like that. That's going to be hard. Because, you know, when, if any one of these two broken bucks, get into power in Washington, they will gang up on them, because you know, you're you're you're one person, and you've got gazillions against you. And, and you've also got a populace, very addicted to government. Yeah. And you've got a very, and this always happened because I was I was pretty well read to when I, when I was in high school, I'd already read Das Kapital, I read the Communist Manifesto. So I understand how the communist brain works when I wrote my book, so I'm not going to give you a prescription now, but you'll have to wait for the last episode of my book, but I will give you a dystopian future. And if any of your listeners go into a state of depression, we'll try and snap them out of it. Okay? Go for it. Well, I don't want them to do that. So in the future of tomorrow, you got to remember, you know, you have to use these, listen to these words, like I have an uncle of mine, who actually lived in the Soviet Union. So I'm familiar with what happened to him in the in the Soviet time during the time of Brezhnev. But you gotta remember, in the Soviet Union, they crushed capitalism, okay. And, and in the future of tomorrow, which is really the last chapter of my book, you have to remember that Lenin had to create his own spy agencies. And he started with the checker. And that was the 1917 to 22 that ran, that evolved into the KGB, and kind of Communist China were originally Mao crushed capitalism. He had the SA D, which is the social affairs department. And then later, he had the Ministry of State Security, which you see today, that's your main security area. So they didn't have Hollywood, they did not have the spook agencies right off the bat. They didn't have the loyalists, by the way, when the Bolshevik Revolution happened, I don't think they had close to 30% support. So this is how a minority can impose on a majority. So so they didn't have these apparatuses. They didn't have the educational institutes. You know, they didn't Harvard, they didn't have London School of Economics. They didn't have Stanford didn't have all these places they didn't have the courts that we have now didn't have the systems we have now they didn't have the parliamentary congressional systems we have now. But so what they did is they made a mistake. But China fix that mistake. And they basically what's going to happen I think, in American is you're seeing it right now, you're going to have a central government, and this is going to be communism or socialism. 2.0 When you hear the word democratic socialism, that's good, because now you can vote for your next oppressor, which really, democracy is, is the greatest at that point. You know, like, you know, if my party gets in power, Brian, and yours doesn't vote great, I can impose my will on you. So what you're going to have is communism, 2.0. Don't even worry about the 100 and 30 million tombstones from the last century compliments of communism, but they're going to do it really well. And what they're going to do, Brian, is they're going to live off the avails and the fruition of capitalism like the like parasites, okay? And, and remember in communism, and people who like Central Government are usually people who want power without accomplishment. They don't want to have a sales or marketing background, or they don't want to take a chance and have their own podcast. So what they'll do is the large corporations will join at the hip and they already are our you know, in the spirit of what college you you're seeing it already, we don't have to dig down you know this stuff better than I do. And they're going to join it the hips, you're going to basically be on Central Bank digital currency, I will feed enough money occasionally to the plebeians. And when when someone like you or I go to the plebeians and go, you're nothing more than a slave to this digital bank currency. And to that central government. Oh, no, I'm allowed to vote. So basically, they're in the Stockholm syndrome, and they're going to have it you Place which one which one is going to which oppressor is going to press some more or less, which Emperor who's going to be the next emperor, but they're all toxic, right? So there, and I'll kind of unwind my thoughts on this. And America, it'll be plug and play, you've got your spook agencies, you've got your Hollywood, the Soviet Union had none of that you've got your educational institutes, you've got your courts, you've got your congressional system, you have all the you know, the the pillars of the society, and they will live off it and it will be a sustainable Commons. So now you're going what's happened to small business, mostly wiped out as we know it, but what they'll do is they'll go well, we found Joe or, or, you know, Jack, or and Jill or anybody else. And look, this is a small company. And what they'll do is they will move them into the upper layers of the Cabal, autocracy, just like the Masons, you start low. Oh, I got in the Masons, I'm so happy, right, I can leave all my, you know, proletarian friends behind. And they'll move you up. And they'll, they'll get they'll show us a demonstration saying, look, look, look, you know, Jack, he moved up a bob, he moves down, you can move up in this society. But I'm going to tell you people are injected on government and government dependency. And you asked me what can be done about this? Well, asked me again, well, I'm formulating a good reasonably good answer.

Brian Nichols  26:27  
I will ask you get how about this, I'll start with my final thoughts. And I'll let you talk about the solution and your final thoughts. And I guess, to my, I guess, perspective, this is why we're doing the show, right? We do The Brian Nichols Show, because we want to talk not just about how to sell our ideas to your average person, but also to have the solutions that are necessary to help address the problems we see. Because it's one thing to point and say, bad, it's another thing to say bad. And here's how we can help address it. Now, are all solutions guaranteed to work? No. And as a matter of fact, a lot of solutions will fail. The difference, though, is that we're actually trying to bring some different solutions to the table, whether that's going through blockchain technology or cryptocurrencies to get outside of the fiat system, whether that's trying to bring in different politicians who are at least Liberty friendly, and against this insanity. There are a lot of different things we can try. And we're going to again, try and in some cases fail, but to at least keep trying to continue to stand up against what we obviously know is wrong, and actually present real solutions. I think that at the very least, is the starting off point. Now. Will it be successful? I don't know. We'll we'll we have a massive boulder that we're trying to push up the proverbial mountain? And will we ever get to the top? I don't know. But at the very least we're doing something about it. We're trying to fight back and start with having the conversation. So I guess that's my overall thoughts for the episode today. Joe, what do you have for us? And also, do you have your solution thought out? Well,

Joe Gulesserian  27:52  
I'm going to be satirical for a second and say the first thing we can do is open up therapy sessions for government addiction. Right. And you know, you help people you know, you kind of dry them out, just like heroin clinics. But this is tougher than getting people off heroin. So all that aside, you can't call your Superheroes over. You can't call Batman. You know, I don't know anyone in Transformers. But on a serious note, what you can do is you have to continually speak people have been gaslighted so heavily, and you have to speak to, especially in America, which is like, they have such a pension for freedom and individuality. There has to be a renaissance of that individuality. They have to speak truth to power, they have to make all the well rehearsed tapestry of lies in our institutions accountable. And you have to understand that we're dealing with some very, very, very well coordinated powers. And we have to somehow put cold water in people's face, but we have to verbalize and say no through shows like yours. And many other shows I see out there that can kind of give people saying you know what, I know life is fast. I know you're on your smartphone, I know your friends, I know you're tapping and napping, and so forth. But you know, what you think freedoms are given, then you haven't studied American history or you've never studied the history of the world freedom is not even one and a half percent 1% of human history. So we have to be vigilant and if need be very, very loud and vigilant and and intellectual. Because you got to remember, people are saying what's in it for me? So

Brian Nichols  29:31  
yeah, oh, everybody's tuned into that radio station wi I fm what is in it for me? And if not the truest thing I mean, to take away from this episode, folks, I don't know what else is. But with that being said, Joe, the book is the practical MBA on economics, Joe gold seryan. Where Can folks go ahead, find you them on continue the conversation on social media, but also we're gonna go ahead and buy your book. Well,

Joe Gulesserian  29:52  
they can buy my book on Amazon and once they read the book, there'll be equipped to take over the world and beyond, right? It's because the world isn't Not enough the book teaches you how to take over the solar system to so you can write on Amazon. It's a practical MBA in economics and it gives you a full full understanding from Adam Smith to the doorstep of bitcoin and how the Ponzi scheme started. And it'll make you so so well equipped. You won't be following the politics you'll be following the people who manipulate the politics.

Brian Nichols  30:24  
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