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Fred Eberlein 2:06
Yes, good to be here. Brian. Thanks for having me back.
Brian Nichols 2:10
Absolutely. You've been busy. Fred. Yeah. Let's see last time you were on the show you were getting ready to have your new book, The 90 Return officially launched. And then July 4 came and my goodness, you jumped right up there to the best sellers on Amazon. Talk to us what's been going on now that you're an official Amazon Best Selling Author?
Fred Eberlein 2:30
Well, and people are interested in the book, which is great. And but you know, we've got I have personally, it's nice, but we have a long way to go. In terms of this being recognized as the formula, a credible formula for transitioning Washington. So up until that happens, Brian, it's just a lot of warm, fuzzies and good feelings and all that. But it's nice to hear from people who have really read it, who focus on particular details, and really think about it. And that's great. So since I've launched the book, I've also recently introduced a website, the 90 degree turn. And I'm blogging there, I wrote my first blog, about 10 days ago, I wanted to have another one like to do one a week actually. But it came down with COVID. So that got in the way a bit. But my first blog was title of it is what I what I did wrong, or where I went wrong, excuse me. So my philosophy is to take on criticism, constructive criticism. And in this first blog, I referred to one of the first reviews actually the first review written on the book by a gentleman by the name of Steve Levine. Yeah, that's the blog right there, where I went wrong. And I tell the story of what I think this may have happened before you and I even connected, Brian, but very early on, I sent this out in PDF to lots of folks. And I was looking for reviews. And Steve responded and basically said, Well, you know, I can't write a review because if I do is not going to be very good. And so we started to I responded to him after reading his objections, I didn't realize that, you know, he's these are some fair objections. So rather than getting defensive about it, I think having a background in business has helped this. I just looked at it objectively and put myself in his position and there is merit to his arguments. And I liked that. I like that because, you know, this is a theory that I've put forward in the book. It's 124 pages in paperback. I don't go in every last detail so As you know, it kind of lends itself to criticism. And there's a four points, right that that Steve brought up. And I think they're all legitimate points. And so my next blog, which I'm working on now, Brian will address these. Because I, again, I think they're valid, they're valid points. And, you know, his first point is just that, you know, having a database of needs is a criticism of the needs monitors a bit, is not a lot unwieldy. That's true. So how do you do that? How do you make that work? Right. And then he goes on to make other criticisms, thinking of how things work today. You know, as he writes, In the second point, the needs of a community is almost untenable, given the complexity of infrastructure needed to create, operate and maintain municipal properties and services. So there's no arguing that, again, this is about alignment. But, and more importantly, it's, I like to feedback, I like to criticism. So this new website I have is, the theme is dialogue. That's really the name of it, the URL is 90 degree turn. But the theme there is dialogue.
Brian Nichols 6:20
Well, and how important is it right, for Edie to have an actual conversation. And that's something that I think I really appreciated about our first time we got together was that you are coming into this truly looking to have a dialogue, you're looking to bring an idea to the table. And frankly, try to make people think in a different way. And how exciting of a time to bring a different idea to the table when there are millions, if not billions of people across the globe, who are now actively looking to do things in a different way. And this could be a great template. Right? So let's talk about again, with a refresher course, for folks I used in the intro, a more bottom up approach to funding the different mechanisms and government explained to us again, what is this 90 degree turn you're referring to?
Fred Eberlein 7:06
Right? Well, very good question. Yeah, it's good to recap. So the idea for this comes from a book that I read several years ago, startup nation, Israel. And in that book, they told the story at Intel, and Intel was up against a microchip architectural issue that, you know, basically, at the end of the day, they had to change the way the processing processors worked to continue to increase performance without frying the chip, anyway, was a very interesting story. And I took that idea and kind of stayed with me for some years. And that's how I came up with the 90 degree turn. So the bottom line to Intel was that they had to give up on some old practices to survive, to go on, to adapt to the new world to the new realities. And it's very clear, and, you know, in their case, because it's engineering, if you're, if your heats get too high, so on and so forth, you know, microprocessors can break down. So it's easier to assess in the case of Intel, but even still, there were it was really science, there was a lot of denial, management wanted to stay on the same course. So I saw a lot of parallels between that story and America where we're at. And that's really where the name came from, from what they call the right turn, and the Intel story to the 90 degree turn. And my view is a lot like with Intel is let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. There's a lot of very important assets in the federal government. On the other hand, due largely to Congress, there's a tremendous amount of overhead. And in my analysis for every $1 spent by the government by the US Federal Government, we get about less than half a penny of value. So we have an overhead of 99.5% in the federal government, which is really unimaginable, but that's where we're at, we've gone from a deficit of $5.6 trillion in 210 years, to over 30 trillion. Now, which, you know, just 20 years later, essentially So my argument is that we have to redefine our government to redefine democratic Republic's not just in America, but around the world. Obviously, the Democratic Republic was invented by our founding fathers, and it's 233 years old. And it's burdened by age, complexity, size, and worst of all, fundraising centric politics. So those are the four pillars that I put forward in the book. In terms of describing today's situation, and then I put forward a solution or pivot, if you will, and how we go from where we're at today to, to greater value coming out of not just Washington, but presumably local and state governments.
Brian Nichols 10:21
Now saving, saving the good stuff, right, obviously, for the audience to go ahead and actually get the book, right. Yeah. A little bit of a snapshot what that solution looks like and how it actually goes from being a great book in an idea to a tangible real life practical idea in do.
Fred Eberlein 10:37
So some of that's on the back of the book here. Where I talk about bottom up separation, which I'll get into in value gap, and these monitor, it's not actually the orders are given in the book there is there, there's a cover for everyone to see. And excuse my markers there. But just in case, anyway, it's a short book, it's 124 pages in paperback. And it's a theory, it's a political theory, I wanted to keep it short, I didn't want to try to get into every permutation. So the core elements of this in terms of how we pivot Brian, is we start what we call a needs monitor. I think in our last podcast, you were calling it the heatmap, which is fine. It's the idea is a heat map of needs. And it's a sophisticated open, secure system hasn't been built yet. It's conceptual. But this is not rocket science. Basically, everybody can come in, indicate what their needs are, if they have solutions in mind, they can put those forward too. But this, that's the concept. I mean, it's a bit more sophisticated than just saying a need, we want you to articulate that and elaborate on that. Talk about any solutions. And this might be anywhere from cleaner water education, to higher greater security, economic security, you name it, we want to put it there. And if you look at Amazon can do this with products and so many suppliers that it works with, and millions of products, we can do the same in terms of quantifying and letting individuals quantify what their needs are. Right. So that's where it starts. That's the deeds monitor. And the idea is that true government, whether it's local or state, county, federal, they all can look at that and judge for that the real needs on the ground. The other purpose of the needs monitor, though, is this bottom up separation that I mentioned a moment ago. So we use the needs monitor, as a way of identifying what which resources in Washington, first and foremost are needed. I mean, the focus of my book is on Washington, we have about 10 million people working in Washington today, more or less, nobody really knows the exact figure. You know, and they're, they're spending 7 trillion a year, that's 31%, or there abouts as a GDP. So it's a huge part of the economy. And it's, we just need to come to grips with it. So Wow. Yeah, so my book is about pivoting though it's not about just cutting out, you know, entire agencies. And that's kind of where Stephen, His comments come from is, you know, just defunding anything that's not identified explicitly in the constitution. So that may have merit to it. But even if we're going to do it that way, let's pivot. And the idea of the pivot is that we give people in those agencies a chance to bid on the needs that are identified in America. So I think it's just a better way of managing resource. And people. I mean, we don't want to be just because someone is a civil servant in the government doesn't mean they're a bad person. And they should, you know, we will be fired.
Brian Nichols 14:04
Why don't you say that? Fred is? We did an audience poll here, not just the The Brian Nichols Show with the greater we're libertarians audience, and I forget the specific breakdown of the numbers. But I know that the top five of our demographics of folks who listened to the show based on occupation, think three of them were public sector employees, and I think a lot of it is inherently because they get to see the inefficiencies firsthand. They get to see how bad it is. And they many times want to fix it, right. And it's unfortunate because you see folks who so desperately say like, you know, I'm going to be the ones different and that it makes you frustrated on their behalf almost because it's not them. It's not necessarily the people as flies, they're good at sorry, but more so it's the mechanisms, the funding mechanisms. I saw a post and it was, you know, you asked me to follow the science and I tried to follow the science but it led me to following the money And that's so true when you look at anything in terms of how the government goes out and its money. So, I mean, yeah, it is. It's one of those unfortunate reality is that it's it's very honestly impossible, it's almost impossible feels it's very difficult to change this Leviathan of a federal government to your point spending $7 trillion a year. It's bonkers
Fred Eberlein 15:23
to me. Wow. Particularly when you see how much of it is overhead.
Unknown Speaker 15:28
So talk to us about that?
Fred Eberlein 15:31
Well, I mean, that's what my analysis says I did a deep dive of sorts on healthcare.gov. But I looked at other aspects of the government, including even those that report on the bad things like the Inspector General's office, say, you know, they give themselves credit on potential savings. I mean, so the see that the very entity that's charged with keeping us all on track, and integrity and accountability is there by their own methods, spinning the numbers, that's frightening. So the spinning happens everywhere, even at the Inspector General's office. I mean, again, they're they're giving themselves and their Reports to Congress. And I'm pretty certain Congress has approved this, they award themselves credit, I don't think anyone gets a bonus necessarily, but they give themselves credit on recommendations they've made, and the potential savings that can come from that. To do to say, I here's an idea, Brian, you know, and oh, boy, if you implement this, you're gonna say 5 million a year. And then I go and put that in my ledger. I say, Brian, 5 million a year. It's not really an accurate statement. Quickly if you don't implement that change. One report, I saw it DOL, Department of Labor. I think I brought this up in our first podcast is still shocking to me. But was no no charts on things completed, but nine pages are in the appendix of projects or recommendations, not implemented, recommendations not implemented. So that's like our government, it's so much motion, and just little tiny bit of action. And it's become, you know, it's really become a problem at so many levels, and we have to fix it. So that's what I put this forward with malice towards nobody. Yeah, I imbalanced towards no party, no person, it's a systemic issue brought about by everyday human beings who were motivated by sometimes bad things like lots of money, and, and all that
Brian Nichols 17:53
incentive structures matter. And the real like, I don't know why sometimes we pretend that's not the case when we talk about the public sector. But if anything, it's even more so real in the public sector. So yeah, let's acknowledge that. And with that, to your point, mobile system addresses that. So Fred, we're already hard pressed for time here. So that being said, let's do this direct folks to where they can find this awesome new book, the 90 degree turn, but also we have a lot of projects that are, as you mentioned, coming down the pike here, you have your new blog, but also, rumor is you're starting a podcast talk to us about that.
Fred Eberlein 18:28
Yeah, that's right. Well, thanks for bringing that up. I almost forgot. So as part of the dialogue, I'd really like to have people on my podcasts that have read the book and have feedback criticism, like Steve does, you know. So that's what I want to do is, and I'm doing that I'm planning that one of the first part podcasts will be actually with my brother, who played a role in helping me to write the book, and you'll hear that there's a lot we don't agree on. But it's healthy. It's healthy dialogue. And that's what this is about, is just putting this theory out there letting people say, here's what I like, here's what I don't like, and trying to make it better. So the website, the dialogue, and all the blogs I'm writing in podcast is really to build out. And let's say put some definition behind the theory. That's the goal.
Brian Nichols 19:22
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After earning an undergraduate degree in Political Science in 1975, Eberlein went to Washington in search of a master's and a future in foreign service. But instead of entering the government, he became a "beltway bandit" – a salesman of computer services and software to Washington’s expansive bureaucracy.
In 1991, his journey went global when he moved to Germany. There he worked with the U.S. Army Europe as it right-sized in the wake of the USSR’s collapse. Later, the author moved to Vienna where he led enterprise sales for Oracle in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary, before joining Sweden’s Scala Business Solutions and moving to Budapest.
An entrepreneur and self-described nobody, the author's firsthand experience of the corruption that has fueled the U.S. Federal Government's decline makes this book – his first – essential reading for anyone who wants to break from the noise of politics and return to the business of America.
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@mattfrendewey shares how the closure of a failed micro school in West Virginia demonstrates the true power and importance of school choice in holding educators accountable and empowering parents to make the best decisions for their children's education.
Embrace your authentic leadership voice, harness the power of storytelling, and rewrite your sales mindset to scale your business while staying true to your values, as shared by Justin Janowski, founder of Faith 2 Influence, in this insightful conversation with …
@CarlSzabo explores the unintended consequences of government overreach in the digital realm, emphasizing the importance of parental responsibility and targeted solutions in protecting children online while preserving privacy and free speech rights for all Americans.
@mkibbe explores how the liberty movement can harness the power of culture, comedy, and storytelling to create a compelling vision for a freer future, celebrating recent victories and supporting the unsung heroes who are fighting for freedom on the front …
AI expert @JoeGulesserian returns to explore the potential consequences of AI on democracy, employment, and society, warning of a dystopian future marked by mass unemployment, corporate-government collusion, and the erosion of individual freedom, while offering strategies for adapting and resisting …
Michael Pickens returns to share his insights on reprogramming your subconscious mind for success by setting clear goals, breaking them down into actionable steps, and using powerful tools like affirmations and visual reminders to stay focused and motivated on your …
Rewire your brain for sales success by mastering the internal art of influence, living your values, and embracing curiosity to uncover your prospects' true needs and have your best year ever.
Self-made multimillionaire @Thedropoutmm shares his inspiring journey and the invaluable lessons he learned while building a business empire without a college degree or startup capital, emphasizing the crucial role of perseverance, mentorship, and coachability in achieving entrepreneurial success against all …
In this thought-provoking episode, Brian Nichols and host Randy Wilinski explore the art of engaging in productive, nuanced conversations amidst a polarized political landscape, emphasizing the importance of curiosity, good-faith discussions, and focusing on root causes to foster personal growth …
@Homeschool_LLC shares how homeschooling empowers parents to provide a personalized, efficient, and creativity-fostering education that prepares children for an ever-changing future while strengthening family bonds.
Beekeeper Steven Brown reveals the shocking extent of government overreach in New Zealand, detailing how authorities destroyed $2 million worth of his beekeeping equipment and products, and then billed him for the destruction, highlighting the dire consequences of unchecked bureaucratic …
Brian Nichols explains why libertarians need to shift their focus from preaching to the choir to effectively selling their ideas to a broader audience by understanding and addressing the kitchen table issues that matter most to voters, rather than getting …
Halli Faulkner from @yes_everykid_f explores the transformative potential of school choice, discussing how empowering parents and breaking down traditional barriers to educational options can revolutionize the future of education in America.
Tax expert @scottahodge reveals the shocking ways taxes secretly control our lives, driving up costs and stifling economic growth, and offers a compelling vision for a simpler, fairer tax system that could unleash prosperity and freedom for all.
Steve Hayes explores the stark contrasts between Trump and Biden's tax plans, painting a vivid picture of America's economic future and the potential for a fairer, simpler tax system under the FairTax plan.
@BenjaminAyanian explains how progressive economic policies often harm society's most vulnerable by misdiagnosing problems and creating detrimental unintended consequences.
Explore why increased education funding isn't improving student outcomes, challenging listeners to reconsider how we structure and fund our schools to truly benefit teachers and students. Copy Retr
The recent Trump-Biden debate exposed Biden's apparent cognitive decline and reinvigorated Trump's campaign, potentially reshaping the entire 2024 election landscape and throwing the Democratic Party into chaos.
Libertarians must confront the real-world complexities of the border crisis, abandoning mockery for empathy and offering practical solutions that balance principles with reality, or risk irrelevance in crucial policy debates.
Expert storyteller Andrea Sampson reveals how to use emotional language, sensory details, and a five-step framework to craft compelling narratives that make complex ideas stick, build trust, and inspire positive change in business, media, and everyday life.
Brian explores the unsettling shift he's observed in many of his friends who have gone from questioning authority to blindly following government mandates and expert narratives, urging listeners to maintain critical thinking and value individual liberty in an increasingly compliant …
Millennials are reshaping American politics as they face unique economic challenges and demand fresh voices in leadership, while also grappling with unexpected issues like drug-affected marine life, highlighting the urgent need for younger generations to get involved and make their …
Financial expert Joe Lombardi warns of economic disaster under a potential Harris presidency and reveals unconventional strategies to protect your wealth, regardless of who wins the 2025 election.
Using a banana farmer's dilemma as a relatable example, this episode unravels the complex interplay of supply, demand, and pricing in a free market economy, revealing how these forces shape every business decision and consumer purchase in our daily lives.
Glue your ideas to their brains: the sticky science of unforgettable communication.
A Kenyan farmer challenges Western climate policies, arguing that fossil fuels are essential for Africa's development and poverty reduction, not a threat to be eliminated.
@BNicholsLiberty and @HeyRemso challenge conventional political wisdom, exposing the dire consequences of unchecked immigration, the critical role of Pennsylvania in the 2024 election, and the potential fallout of third-party voting, ultimately questioning whether America is on the brink of losing …
@PeterGillooly from @twc_health shows how our healthcare system's perverse incentives are costing you money and potentially your health, and teaches how taking control through early intervention and medical autonomy could be your lifesaver in a world where hospitals and insurance …
Libertarians must shift from selling features to solving problems, ditching the "autistic approach" for emotional connections, to effectively communicate their ideas and win hearts and minds.
Rethink your approach to wealth and freedom by exploring unconventional strategies like offshore investing and international diversification, as traditional political activism and US-centric investing may no longer be enough to secure your financial future in an increasingly uncertain global economy.
A Marine veteran's raw journey from trauma to transformation reveals how questioning everything, embracing vulnerability, and exploring unconventional healing methods can lead to profound personal growth and self-discovery.
As governments worldwide move to ban social media platforms and criminalize online speech - from Brazil's complete ban of X to UK police monitoring citizens' posts - this episode reveals how quickly digital freedom can vanish overnight and why America …
Popular libertarian voice Dave Smith's endorsement of Trump signals a larger shift in the liberty movement, as key figures like Rand Paul, Ron Paul, and Thomas Massie coalesce around Trump's campaign - highlighting how pragmatic libertarians are choosing strategic influence …
In a shocking pre-election bombshell, as Ron Paul and Elon Musk join forces in a potential Trump administration, New York state's killing of a beloved Instagram-famous squirrel becomes a rallying cry against government overreach, revealing how bureaucrats will dispatch more …
The COVID-19 pandemic and subsequent government overreach shattered public trust in institutions, leading to a massive political realignment as Americans across the spectrum rejected establishment narratives and embraced new coalitions focused on personal freedom and government accountability.
Host Brian Nichols crafts a heartfelt Christmas list to "Liberty Santa," asking for practical freedom-oriented gifts like fiscal responsibility, school choice, and honest journalism while teaching listeners how to effectively communicate liberty principles during the holiday season.
Bitcoin's historic rise to $100,000 represents more than just a price milestone - it signals a growing movement toward financial independence as people seek alternatives to government-controlled money in an era of inflation and increasing centralized control.
A former Wall Street insider exposes the truth about our broken health system while sharing how natural solutions and proper supplementation can transform your health, challenging everything we've been told about "genetic" health problems.
A former college football player shares his remarkable journey from 470 pounds to vibrant health through the power of walking, intermittent fasting, and proper supplementation, proving that sustainable weight loss starts with simply taking the first step.
Our education system prioritizes theoretical knowledge over essential life skills, creating generations of graduates who can solve complex equations but struggle with basic adult responsibilities.
A groundbreaking conversation revealing how a Colombia-based healing center is combining cutting-edge natural treatments with ancient wisdom to help patients heal from serious illnesses while exposing the corruption in American healthcare.
