513: The Libertarian Party & The Great Reno Reset (w/ Stephen Decker & Jeremy Todd)

Brian Nichols  0:08  
Instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Well, happy Tuesday there, folks, Brian Nichols here on The Brian Nichols Show and thank you for joining us on of course another fun filled episode. I am as always, your humble host and today yes, you saw happening this past weekend. The great Reno reset is officially happened over at the Libertarian Party but before we go ahead and dig into that today, I want to go ahead and talk about our episode sponsor the expat money summit 2020 to watch for a week reap the benefits for generations sign up for your free access to the virtual summit taking place November 7 through November 11 2022. With McHale thorup the founder of the expat money and host of expat money podcast and summit five days 30 expert speakers head the Brian Nichols show.com forward slash expat and get your free tickets today. I talked about it at the intro folks it happened we've heard about your the past few years and it officially took place this past Memorial Day weekend. The Reno reset is real and the Mises caucus one in commanding fashion. Joining me today to discuss is the one and only Jeremy Todd from cell liberty and Steven Decker Gentlemen, welcome to The Brian Nichols Show. Glad to be here. Absolutely, gents. Thanks for joining us. And Jeremy. Yes, we're excited to have you back a host of cell Liberty here in The Brian Nichols Show. And Steven, you're a new face and voice here to the program. You're going to be doing some work with us over at cell liberty. So let's start off introduce yourself to The Brian Nichols Show audience then we'll reintroduce the old old fart here, Jeremy and see what he's been up to lately.

Stephen Decker  1:55  
Yeah, what's up, y'all Stephen Decker, you know, known as Steven with a pH since we have to have to, you know, make that distinction nowadays. Yeah, I do direct sales. And so I got to meet Jeremy on a rooftop in South Dakota at Freedom Fest. And we connected over some some shared past and some shared friends. And yeah, excited to get started with with sell liberty and really start getting out there. I was a delegate for Texas, to Reno, and got to see all of the craziness that we went through over this last weekend. It was a lot of fun.

Brian Nichols  2:32  
A lot of fun. I don't know if that's how a lot of people who I saw online were I don't know if they were having some definition of fun. Yeah, they were they were a little angry. Before we get to them. Jeremy, how have you been my friend? And what's been up in your world?

Jeremy Todd  2:48  
Yeah, so I had a lot of I was in Reno as well, and had a lot of people come up to me and go, Hey, man, we missed the show what's going on? And essentially, my family knew this move was going to take place. If you're unaware, I'll be moving from the Phoenix area to Northern Kentucky, basically, near Cincinnati. Coming up in this next week. We're actually packing all around me as we speak. And, yeah, but but but essentially what happened is, I started working at a job to try and, you know, have an extra income as we're preparing for this move. And so I knew it was kind of a one shot deal. The job was awful. The company was awful. But I was kind of stuck. What are you going to do with six months. So the company like a lot of companies had some major staffing issues, but refuse to adapt in order to adopt them and just kind of worked us to the grind. So I did go through what a lot of us go through which is some burnout, and what leftover energy I had after working 60 plus hours a week over the last six months, I wanted to be sure I afforded to my family. So that's why you haven't seen me. But that is changing in the next week. So we like like you said, Steven and I will be discussing what's going on in the world, discussing how to look at it from a sales perspective. And then also how to have those conversations with your co workers at happy hour with family members around the dinner table.

Brian Nichols  4:21  
Yep, well, and this is what we need to be focusing on officially going forward because all the infighting all the party drama, it's time for that to quite literally go under the rug, it's time to move forward because now it's it's time to start getting outside of our own bubble and start bringing new people in who are interested in libertarian politics, not only in 2022, but specifically 2024. We have a lot of work, especially with what's going on right now in the world ahead of us. And there does seem to be a growing not only is there the growing sentiment of people who are empathetic to the Liberty message But there's also a hardening a resolve of those who are against the Liberty message, who will do anything in their power to go out of their way to take us down. So with that being said, we do have a really big task ahead of us. And it requires us to move forward enough of the infighting and focusing on who said what, who did what, why did this happen, which party took over which caucus is in power doesn't matter right now, right now the focus is on is being effective communicators and messengers of liberty. So that's why I'm so excited to have both you Jeremy as well as Steven joining us celebrity once more for I think what season two now hear of your iteration of celebrity here in The Brian Nichols Show. So excited for that? And how about this, let's talk about selling some liberty. Let's focus on the convention, gentlemen, because now it is time to focus on what the main issues are going to be at hand and you guys get to see it firsthand there in Reno this past weekend. So I'll do jump ball here. Steven Jeremy, what was the tenor of the convention? Before we talk about who won what and which delegates did what and who got voted into where? What was the feeling of the libertarian National Convention? Was it like we see online toxic, gross, just full of infighting and squabbles? Or was there an electricity of hope and optimism of what to come?

Jeremy Todd  6:12  
I, Stephen, if you'll let me take the ball first from the tip off here. So I can so I can frame it a little bit. I am technically nondenominational. not affiliated with any caucus or anything like that, but but I clearly agree with a lot of what the Mises caucus is working towards, and you know, but being a nondenominational. I'm not in their discord groups. I'm not in their circles, I don't know what their plans and what they're talking about are, I simply look at their plans and say, Is this a good plan or a bad plan? And so potentially, I had a unique perspective, Steven will be coming from the perspective of of being very involved with the caucus. Being in the discord, knowing what the plans were knowing what they were working towards. So for me, honestly, I did, I felt like the the energy was really good. The energy was positive. Folks, were there ready to get to work. And good things were essentially on the horizon. It felt like it was a pretty heavy Mises caucus influence there, I'd say probably in the neighborhood of 60 ish. percent was mucus called Mises caucus delegates. But the energy was exceptional. I did not personally experience any toxicity, or or those things, but you know, that that's just my perspective, it was it was a positive energetic experience from the, from the jump. That changed throughout the process. But we'll get into that.

Brian Nichols  7:51  
Steven, was your experience similar? Did you have a little bit different of a take?

Stephen Decker  7:56  
Yeah, I think it's, it really just kind of depends on what we're talking about. There's two different I think two different parts to this convention, there was the actual like convention itself, which is more like the business of what we're doing there. And then there was the outside of the convention, just the stuff like the the pieces bash, where we had Ron Paul, and, you know, several amazing speakers, you know, where there was the competition on the live podcast with Dave and Robbie and the whole crew there, there were just the get togethers that we had, even with just the Texas delegation from, you know, some, some nieces, some not, we're kind of mixing, mixing crowds there. And so there's that portion of it, where it's just the energy was just, you know, alive, and just in really, really, really incredible. And that's, that's where you just had this amazing positive, like white pill feeling of like, hey, like, this is the movement, this is what we're here for, this is what we're doing. And it was really exciting. And then there's like, the business portion of the convention, where it kind of started off if this was my first time, you know, being there, and I been at the Texas Convention, which is still a, you know, a fairly large, fairly large group, but this one was definitely a much larger, much larger body of people. And so it was, it was really cool, seeing how it worked, but then also you could feel how it was a little bit contentious in the room getting started but I feel like once like it there was there was a certain tipping point where it just felt like the the attitude shifted. And and yeah, and the energy really shifted and then you just saw it kind of snowballed from there into this you know, clean sweep by the by the Mises caucus

Brian Nichols  9:44  
Alright, let's talk about this energy then as you both have brought up a difference and I don't know Jeremy, if you and Steven both have the opinion of when the best ways for where the energy headed, but let's kind of go Jeremy your perspective of when the energy change and where it may be. but not so good. And then Steven, maybe we're up saw the energy change and it turned into the Clean Sweep you're referring to for the Mises caucus? I'll let you guys kind of dig in there. Yeah, well, again,

Jeremy Todd  10:09  
if we're to reiterate what Stephen said, there are two different aspects of the convention we're talking about here. When you're around the people outside of the convention, we're at the Comedy Show, when we're at the nesis, bash, all of the outside events, ton of energy, everybody's friendly. We're building networks, and we're having a human experience that is kind of bonding. I use this example all weekend to some folks who were talking to me and I said, look, it's like, if you ever went to church camp growing up, you kind of get bogged down in school throughout the year. And then you go to church camp, and you get all fired up and on fire, because you're around your friends, and you're all working towards a single mission. And it basically was a big family reunion for all of our internet friends. Then when we got to business, some of those disagreements did come out the first day, we didn't even make it to the lunch break on the agenda. And so a lot of the business that was slated to get done had to be pushed back. And a lot of it felt to me, pretty unnecessary. And it really kind of felt like a pissing contest, a lot of retribution, a lot of people making unnecessary motions to try and do things, when in reality, we all knew going in what the outcome was going to be. And so it all felt like either a pissing contest or a you know trying to get some revenge on somebody or workout personal vendettas, you know, through the business, rather than just proceed with the business, make it go to vote. And let's get this over with because we know exactly how this is going to end. It was only after the first day where we, you it was no longer possible to avoid getting to the actual business, the voting, the debates, the conversations are the, you know, actually getting the business done getting the resolutions and the candidates voted on that things started started to kind of change, and you started to see a lot more of a message of, clearly this is the direction the party is going. And regardless of whether this was the direction you wanted it to go or not, we want you on board. And we're all ready to get to work.

Brian Nichols  12:32  
Stephen, what was your perspective? Was it similar to what Jeremy saw there?

Stephen Decker  12:38  
Yeah, it was, there were definitely contentious moments. Yeah, that first day of not getting through really barely any of the business? I think it was, it was kind of it was kind of crazy seeing how I think a lot of the convention and a lot of our momentum hinged on adopting a new agenda. And that was a that was a really contentious thing that it was it was back and forth. And it was, are we going to go to lunch break? Or are we not going to go to lunch break? Or like, what are we doing? Or where can we see this? And there did feel like a lot of stalling. But like once that was done. I think that was one area where it was kind of like that was kind of like a checkpoint for us almost in a video game where it's like, Hey, okay, cool. Agenda adopted, we're good. And let's, let's move on to the next boss. And then I really did feel the energy kind of shift. Not even when they announced the results of the chair election, but I think it was whenever we call for the vote, and whatever you call for the vote, and it was just like, Okay, we're doing this, there's no more stalling. There's no more BS, like, we are doing what we came here to do. And it was really cool. And you could you could feel that energy shift. And when it was announced it was it was just kind of automatic of that energy changing in the room. And yeah, you did have the, you know, kind of the, the the old guard that kind of went out kicking and screaming. And it's kind of, I think, kind of, you know, comparable to how you see members of the media or current politicians kind of going, going down kicking and screaming. And it's, it's, it's just kind of a little microcosm of what that fight is gonna look like on a on a much larger scale. Whenever we start going, going federal with this thing,

Brian Nichols  14:22  
yup. Well, and we talked about this many times, Jeremy on the show, right? It's the little fish little pond syndrome. It's real. And I think it kind of Stevens Point, he kind of came to a head this past weekend, because now it's, it's time to take that next step. Now it's time to move forward. Now it's time to start looking at what is our ultimate goal here, our ultimate goal is to rein back the largest government ever created known to man, so that's going to be a bit of an undertaking. It requires us to be one. I won't necessarily say we have to be cohesive as an entire group, but at least in our mission of what we're trying to accomplish. And now

Stephen Decker  14:58  
I will say on the topic of you Eddie, I will not rest until nixar. Works killers brought to justice. Okay, so that is one area where we are united.

Jeremy Todd  15:09  
Yeah. And, and I will say that Steve Steven makes a great point to reference font when we discussed the old guard. There there are a lot of people in this party who have been around for a very long time, that we're not necessarily opposed to change in adaptation and growth and the things that the Mises caucus was fighting for. There was an old guard of a we'll call him the Sarwar archaeans that were ready to go down kicking and screaming. But I think on the final day, we saw that the party was ready to move forward together when Spike's amendment was passed, almost unanimously.

Brian Nichols  15:53  
Yeah, well, here we go. Just for people who aren't aware to the murder attempt that Steven is referring to our former chairman Nicolas SAR work, just this is this might be hard for some people to watch. So just Viewer discretion is advised.

Unknown Speaker  16:12  
I feel Hey, he just threw his shoulder on some surf. This dude has unauthorized recording and Steven Mikayla,

Brian Nichols  16:27  
this guy has on authorized recording guys, I don't know if you heard that. Right. recording. Recording was

Stephen Decker  16:34  
not authorized by anyone.

Brian Nichols  16:35  
And did you see a shoulder check? That? Yeah, I played football. And I know like, if I flew men, you could you could hurt some people. I'm surprised he's still standing,

Jeremy Todd  16:45  
standing there waiting and then running towards the guy to make it to initiate contact. It was clearly and for some perspective, for some folks were like, Oh, well, okay, we'll take both sides on this know that essentially, where we are at in this process is that the Robert's Rules of Order. And the things in the open microphones and addressing the chair are all we're on the last day, we've got an hour left. And so what Starworks little team is trying to do is run out the clock and basically prevent the body from voting on amending the platform, is where we're at at this point. And there were a ton of different attempts to basically stand on the microphone, bring up some very silly unnecessary things for vote basically make it as complicated procedurally as possible in hopes to run up the clock so the body could not vote on platform. And this was just another this was sort of the last ditch attempt to do that was to start a ruckus on the floor, potentially get security involved, to get the police involved. And thank goodness for kin moldman. The real hero of this convention is Ken Coleman, former vice chair from Kentucky, just a smooth operator who would look everybody in the eye all weekend to go Listen, guys, this is a waste of time. This is unnecessary. We need to be moving forward with business. And so Ken came home and if you see this or hear this, you're the real one, man.

Brian Nichols  18:18  
There you go. Well, thank you for that Jeremy. Now before we move forward to talk about the actual outcome of the convention where things are moving forward. First, we have to go ahead and give a shout out to the awesome shop that hosts houses that is the store for The Brian Nichols Show, the one and only proud libertarian shop and the Brian Nichols show.com forward slash shop. And you can go ahead and check out our awesome swag like we have our trusty X expert series, which you can get our mug here as well as T shirts. Jeremy, this looks familiar right fight like, we still got that in the shirt, which is obviously in reference to Dave Smith's young little guy there who had a quite a heck of a battle and still has a battle there. So we had this on the site for him fun students, not systems, plus a variety of other amazing, amazing swag and get here over the proud proud libertarian shop Brian Nichols show.com forward slash shop. And by the way, all orders over $35 You get free shipping. So I think that's a pretty darn good deal. But let's go forward, guys. Let's talk about the actual outcome of this convention. So you mentioned that I think as Steven you mentioned, it was a chair race that really kind of set the tone changing going forward. What was that chair race outcome? And how did that look?

Stephen Decker  19:28  
Yeah, that was Angela winning with 69% of the vote nice. And and yeah, it was it was just really incredible. And then there was another I think there were there were several kind of there were several shifts along the way. And the share race was definitely a big one where you could just feel like when those results popped up on the screen, like it was just the energy was in the room. And then we had a pretty contentious Vice Chair race where we had to do voting many Many times I apologize on behalf of the Texas delegation for our inefficiency of voting. We were not good at it and the vice chair. And so I don't know what was going on. But But yeah, it was a big energy shift around there. And that's when you could tell it was like, alright, yeah, we're doing this and and that that snowball just kept rolling, kept rolling.

Brian Nichols  20:22  
Jeremy, your thoughts?

Jeremy Todd  20:24  
Voting for Angela was the easiest vote I've ever cast in any election for anything for any reason. It was clear through the debates and the conversations that, you know that this is the right direction. And that's why it was even though it was probably only around 60 to 65% of the room. That was Mises caucus. She she won with almost 70% of the vote. And that's because the other three, you know, the other candidates just were not on par with the vision and the message then Angel ahead. So that was easy. The vice chair race Yeah, again, no, no real the the Mises caucus was split on this, they do not vote as a hive mind. In this scenario, there were two qualified candidates that they felt were going to vote, and it split. And for me, it came down to trust. I know Josh Smith, I trust that he's not going to try and go over Angela's head to pull some stunts, I know, he's definitely not going to take the conversation on the LMC and posted in the fake Rotarians Facebook group. And so rather than people looking over their shoulder, which I felt could potentially be a problem with the other candidate. I wanted them to be able to focus on getting business done.

Brian Nichols  21:47  
All right. And now that the part of the show where we put on our trusted adviser hats, right, we talk about sales, we have to give our consultative advice. So, Jeremy, Stephen, what would be your consultative advice right now to the new leading caucus that is taking over the third largest political party in the United States being the Libertarian Party, some words of advice, and some things they should look out for? Steven, we'll start with you.

Stephen Decker  22:16  
Yeah, I would say it's don't stop, you know, this is, this is really just the start. It's kind of crazy, because it's like, this has been several years of work for a lot of people. And it's been a grind just to get to this point. But I think it's important for us to realize, and to really recognize that, hey, this is just the beginning, this is step one complete. So we have a lot more work to do, and just not not taking the foot off the gas pedal keeping this momentum. And in really carrying the momentum through these next couple years, especially just to really prove really prove more than anything to to the rest of the party that that we're legit, you know, we're not just all talk, this isn't going to be one of those things where it's like, I'm already screenshotting tweets of just like, they're, they're done now that they won their thing. They're just going to you know, they're all just going to quit, they're all just going to stop working and everything like that. And that's I know, that's not going to be our group. So I would say that the big thing is just a really keep going.

Brian Nichols  23:17  
Jeremy Todd, your thoughts? Sir?

Jeremy Todd  23:20  
If I'm giving advice to the Mises caucus, and what you're talking about, is that alright, it's no longer about the Mises caucus now. All right, it is about the Libertarian Party and you need to own that name, the Libertarian Party, it is no longer joined the Mises caucus that has joined the Libertarian Party, and so make us all one help unify the party. And it is, so that's, that's number one is, it's time to rebrand a little bit and stop making it a Mises caucus thing, and now it's the Libertarian Party thing we've won, it's in charge. The second piece of that is, I have personal experiences where I have felt like the Mises caucus is looking for an enemy or were and rightfully so plenty of people have come for their heads, said horrible, untrue things about them, and done everything they could to stop this from happening. But now, the numbers are there, you're in charge, assume positive intent of those who are looking to work with you and alongside you. We are not enemies in this party any longer. And then the third piece would be directly from my platform. There are a lot of people who are passionate about certain things, whether it be crypto, or the Bitcoin community, my personal one, the nuclear power community, Brian entrepreneurs, business people, you know, that's a wide open market of people who believe in free market capitalism, but kind of find themselves stuck in in a political world. We need to be making these outreach opportunities So these groups and saying, Look, you have a home in the Libertarian Party, you have a political vehicle to advance your message and agenda through the Libertarian Party, obviously, where those things align, but in many places they do. And so now it's time to grow, which is the only thing we need to be focused on.

Stephen Decker  25:19  
And on that note, I think it's really, that's a really special thing about the Libertarian Party is just we do have such a diverse group of people with so many different talents. And one of the things that I think from my sales organization that I think it's important to bring in to other organizations is just that decentralization aspect of things where it's like, so many of us have such diverse, like, diverse talents. And so, so many specific talents and those talents need to be used. And, you know, put people to work at what they're best at, and really utilize everyone for what they are best at. And then also realizing that it's like hey, there's going to be some things that like, I'm not good at, and I don't need to be involved with it, just kind of fostering that. That kind of community where it's like, hey, we all have our special talents. So let's not all let's not all let's, let's not all try to be the center of everything and doing everything wants to do what we're best at. Yeah, Delegate maybe. Yeah, delegate.

Brian Nichols  26:17  
Well, I talked about this to my day job because I talked to IT directors, business owners, and I say you can't innate, acknowledge it first and foremost, like I can't be an expert in everything and in to be able to help them find the areas that they're their weakest. Now I am doing a very cheesy and terrible segue to a quick add here as well, which is one of the areas I have been helping business owners and that has been focusing on, not just cybersecurity attacks, but the number one area where they get hit. You guys have any idea where that might be?

Jeremy Todd  26:50  
Ransomware

Brian Nichols  26:51  
Oh, you're so close to this. It's the means to ransomware it's phishing, phishing. Yeah, check this out. Maybe you're not gonna believe this, as cyber attacks have continued to skyrocket. phishing attacks ranked as the second most expensive causes of data breaches. According to IBM phishing attacks, conduct business has an average of $4.65 million in business email compromises BCS, which is a type of phishing where attackers hijack or spoof. A legitimate corporate email account ranks at number one, causing businesses an average of $5.01 million per breach. But that's not the only way because you can lead to a costly breach attacks using compromised credentials were ranked as the fifth most costly cause of a data breach averaging $4.37 million. And how do credentials get compromised more often than not even efficient? While your employees can be your company's most valuable asset, they can also be the biggest target for cyber criminals had the Brian Nichols show.com forward slash phishing to hop on a call with me where I'll show how we can use customized targeted phishing campaigns that simulate real world phishing attacks, and then take those ceili threats and use them as training opportunities to help you understand your organization's real life risks. Again, that's Brian Nichols. show.com forward slash phishing don't let phishing attacks cripple your business one more time, Brian cool show.com forward slash phishing. Alright, gents. So, now that we learned all about the importance of looking at phishing attacks, let's talk about predictions. And we'll wrap here on this episode with this where do we see the Libertarian Party now, effectively moving forward as a party, which I said nice because obviously 69% voted for Angela as chair. And with that, it seems like the Mises caucus has a resounding hold now on not just the party, but also the messaging. So going forward to 2022 2024, there really shouldn't be too much in the way from an infrastructure standpoint. So I know it's wild and prediction time and stuff already being in June. But let's start with you, Stephen. Where do you see the Libertarian Party from the light portal standpoint? 2020 To 2024 Fire away?

Stephen Decker  28:57  
Yeah, I'm, I'm really hoping this is going to be the start of that kind of hockey stick curve that you see with so many things. You know, it's like, if you look at technology, or just modernization of anything, it's just everything is always just just hit, you hit that turning point. And then things start to move at just an incredible rate. And so I know it's going to be one of those things where it does start small. These things happen very slowly. And then all at once. I think it's kind of this thing. And so yeah, is really just going to depend on what kind of momentum we can continue to build over the next couple of years. I know there's going to be a lot of positive messaging that we'll be able to do here with the midterms coming up. And I think we have a real opportunity because once again, with everything that is going on in the nation, just the mask is dropping in so many different ways for so many different groups and it's on both sides of the aisle. You're seeing just the absolute incompetence of the people at the top and these are supposed to be the adults that are back in charge of the room. And then on the other side Right, it's like you see, all of these institutions that conservatives have, have really put faith in for so long, like the police, just proving their utter incompetence, and sometimes even, you know, malice. And so it's it's a really unique time where we have the opportunity to, to use some of that messaging to really build momentum over the next couple of years. And then going into the presidential election where of course, we'll have Dave Smith, running for president, which will be amazing.

Brian Nichols  30:33  
Jeremy Todd, your thoughts, my friend?

Jeremy Todd  30:35  
Yeah. I don't have as I have a very positive outlook. It is not quite as rainbows and butterflies as Steven, if you get a chance to look at or watch the Mises caucus bash, I'm not sure if it was recorded or not, but maj Turay probably gave the best speech for the weekend. I would put it above Dr. Paul's, even though it was great to see Dr. Pol, maj looked at the room and goes, I don't think you're ready for this. They're coming for you. Now you're a force. Now you're on the radar, and the bad things are coming. And that means, you know, we joke about people being offended. But for real, there are a lot of dirty things that happen in politics. And if we do catch this energy and momentum, we will become a target. And so I think the important thing for us to do is remain number one agile. One of the biggest issues with the Libertarian Party in the past is that it was bogged down with bureaucracy and processes and things like that. We raised $30,000 for an anti mandate ad that came out, I don't know 30 days after we'd raise the money when our good friend and it was not great. When our good friend Dan smarts had one put together in 12 hours. That was That was phenomenal and much, much better and didn't cost $30,000. So agility, efficiency, and I think the election of Todd Hagopian. And Angela is really going to help with that they are two very diligent, efficient, hardworking people. But I want everybody to be prepared for the roller coaster Stevens right. This is the time, the opportunity in front of us has never been better. And this is the best position the Libertarian Party has ever been in to make a dent. But if you've worked in business, if you've worked in sales, it is not a pretty climb to the top. It is ugly, it is hard there are there are backslides, and you are you are going to struggle at times, we are going to take two steps forward one step back two steps forward, one step back. So the important thing for everybody as we go through this is never ever, ever let go of your resolve to keep moving forward. And and put your head down, keep moving forward, keep doing the hard work. Don't worry about the noise. As long as we continue to do the actions the results will come. And that's the key. It prepare yourself that there are going to be some losses, there are going to be some bumps, there are going to be some backwards momentum, there are going to be some slip ups, there gonna be some problems, there are gonna be some bad things that happen. Keep your head down, keep moving forward and put in the work.

Brian Nichols  33:05  
There you go, folks, well, what's my word of advice, meet people where they're at, you've heard it time and again here on the program, stop focusing on the issues, you think that they need to be concerned about, start focusing on the issues that they are talking about the issues that are keeping them up at night, when they're sitting at the kitchen table? What's the thing that's really pushing the family trying to just scrape by whatever that main issue is be the person that's there leading with solutions, and more importantly, meeting them where they're at. So with that being said, Folks, if you enjoy today's episode, well please strap in for another season of cell liberty because you can get in a lot more of Jeremy and Steven to come as the as we move forward here in 2022. And of course, we'll be having them both here on the program many a time as we go throughout the year talking about the elections. Yes, as they're coming down the pike. Just a few short months away less than five months, folks strapline is getting ready to get real really, really fast. So with that being said, let's do some final plugs here. Steven, where can folks go ahead and find you they want to continue the conversation?

Stephen Decker  34:03  
Yeah, check me out on Twitter. My My name is Steven with a pH the handle is at Steven underscore with a and so you can find me there for all of my rantings on Twitter.

Jeremy Todd  34:17  
Steven plug the plug the biz?

Stephen Decker  34:19  
Oh yeah, so you can find if you need some great American Made Knives, you can check out my knife dude.com That is my website with all my information for the business stuff. So I do anything for your personal kitchen. If you're a business owner that does gifts, we can engrave knives and gifts, or we can engrave knives for gifts, all kinds of cool, fun goods and services to be had at my knife dude.com

Jeremy Todd  34:45  
Calling all realtors,

Stephen Decker  34:48  
realtors, all business owners. If you give gifts for your business, come get me. We'll get you the Liberty discount.

Brian Nichols  34:54  
Jeremy Todd hit him with your social media links my man

Jeremy Todd  34:57  
Yeah, mine is far less exciting at Jay Todd 601 where you can find me on Twitter. Please don't find me on Facebook. And that is that is it. Jake Todd 601. I'll be there.

Brian Nichols  35:09  
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