389: We Need to Stop Looking at Politics as a Hobby -with Marc Clair

Brian Nichols  
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Victor Antonio  
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Brian Nichols  
The Brian Nichols Show your source for common sense politics on the we are libertarians network as a sales and marketing executive in the greater telecommunications cybersecurity industry, Brian works with C level executives to help them future proof their company's infrastructure for an uncertain future. And in each episode, Brian takes that experience and applies it to the liberty movement. And this is why we talk about being the trusted advisor you should be able to help us that expert guidance and all the opinions that I'm sure that you have and help lead them towards not just a decision but the right decision. Instead of focusing on simply winning arguments or being right. We're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and their application in the world of politics, showing you how to ask better questions, tell better stories and ultimately change people's minds. And now your host, Brian Nichols. Well, happy Tuesday there, folks, Brian Nichols here on The Brian Nichols Show. And thanks for joining us on Yes, another fun filled episode. I am as always, your humble host. And I dare say a little tired if I'm going to be quite honest with you. You may have noticed the shows have been a little sporadic as of the past few few days reason being I have been whirlwind around half the United States going out to the great state of Indiana looking at a bajillion homes and then finally settling on one to a set up shop for the the foreseeable future as I'm getting out of the Northeast. And yeah, it was, it's been a venture of the past few days. But with that being said, yeah, absolutely exciting for the future, but tired. And with that, you know, I hear somebody else who's gonna be on the show today. And he's tired. He's been tired of politics. This is a conversation I had with our good friend Mark Claire from lions of liberty. Now Mark has recently taken a transition more out of the world of politics, and more so into the world of personal development and personal growth. Focusing on one's own as Jason Stapleton would say your wealth, power and influence by the way if you're interested in networking with some like minded people who are focusing on solving issues versus just complaining about things go the Brian Nichols show.com forward slash Nomad join the Nomad network and hear what everyone's talking about. Yes, Brian Nichols show.com forward slash Nomad so with that being said though this conversation with Mark Mark I'm so I'm so honored to call mark not only I would say a fellow traveler in the world of greater Liberty politics, but someone who has grown to be a very near and dear friend and he it's just great to hear the transition he has taken and what value he is getting out of that right now and his own personal life. So a great conversation with Mark Claire, thank you Mark for joining us. So that being said, I'm gonna show Mark Claire here on The Brian Nichols Show.

Marc Clair  
What's up Brian? The rumors are true. I am always ready to roar I know the

Brian Nichols  
rumors are true man I talked about the rumors beforehand you even confirmed them I had to make sure I'm not gonna go ahead and air dirty laundry without it being at least a little fact check but man cites his sources. He doesn't always always come on. Yeah, do ya do journalism better than the folks over at CNN? Like I'm not Brian Stelter. I'm the better Brian so

Marc Clair  
we definitely the better Brian. But that'd be Brian Williams here here here as

Brian Nichols  
well. Yeah, he's often in like the middle of Europe, though. But regardless, Hey, my friend Welcome back to the program. It's been a while I was busy in your world. You've been so busy in your world. Um, yeah, you could say that you've been doing let's say we talked about before you did a world tour. You're going on every libertarian podcast out there. You're on Paceman. Apparently a hot commodity, man. Ableton. Who else were you recently on?

Marc Clair  
Was on Pete. On man on. Man, Raymond. I was on peach show. Because? Well, because he invited me on just to talk about going to Mexico. Yeah. Which I recently did. And so but that kind of did. I don't know. What happened, it wasn't really my plan. It just turned into me going on rants upon rant, and apparently I had been, I had a lot of stuff building up inside. And then David actually already invited me on before that, that it kind of guided the conversation a little bit too.

Brian Nichols  
Well, it works out because we were already kind of planning to have you on at some point in the future. And it coalesced with you in this kind of new approach to the way you look at life, the way you look at Liberty. And I wanted to bring this to the audience today. Because part of when we're into the sales world, this is part that I like to bring to the table saying, hey, there doesn't have to be a perfect, one size fits all solution. There's what works for you. There's what works for your unique situation. Not every company like Comcast can go out and you know, I'll give you a real life example. They can go out and they can they can, you know, do big dumb internet pipes all day long. What I want them to do a massive VoIP solution for a contact center. Absolutely not, because that's not where their skills lie. So the same thing is true when you look at what works for you in your your pursuit of individual liberty, but also liberty by and large, and you're doing it right now, by taking a step away from politics and focusing on you the individual making yourself the most as Jason Stapleton likes to focus the wealth, power and influence that you can build up that autonomy. He's a sponsor in the network here for the Nomad network, you know, what can we do to build a community of like minded folks who are out there focusing on being the best version of yourselves? And you're, you're taking a hard 180 away from that political approach, which, let's be real lines of liberty, Ron Paul, pull it like this is a political, you know, animal. So Mark, what was that a abrupt one at that, that really kind of put you in a, not only a completely different position in terms of politics, but geographically as well?

Marc Clair  
Yeah, I don't know how abrupt it is. But it probably might seem abrupt on the surface, because a lot of this was kind of brewing, sort of in the background, I guess. And I think in many ways, I was suddenly trying to change some of the tone of my show, sort of after COVID started of the flagship show on lines, liberty, I just tried to focus a little bit more on like solutions for people's lives, like how people can sort of, you know, improve their skill set become mobile, these are all sorts of things I was talking about. But I never did like a hard rebrand out front, like, like Jason Stapleton style. So I think when I came out on peach show, and really went hard on this stuff, maybe a lot of people that hadn't been been quite noticing, because I wasn't outwardly pushing it. It might seem like more of a hard one add to that, you know, in the in the public sense. But for me, it really wasn't that hard. It was, it was very gradual. Actually, it's something I've been kind of thinking about along for a long time, even before COVID, I was kind of thinking about how insecure I think we can all be or how secure we can feel, I should say, in you know, our full time job or nine to five or what have you normally job if you want to say and and how we never really are, that's a carrot, even if it feels and feels that way. And I and I definitely felt that way for a long time. But COVID was the first time that I saw that kind of inaction. You know, when I personally got put on furlough for about three months during the beginning of the pandemic, and that made me realize, oh, I have this like well paying job. I mean, well paying job is relative in Los Angeles, because you can make good money in Los Angeles, and you're just living in Los Angeles, like all you're paying to do. But, you know, self felt like pretty stable, like I could do that as long as I want to. But that was like the first thing that really told me like, okay, even when you have a full time job, nothing is really guaranteed. And at the end, when you think about it, we are really, we're all kind of really selling ourselves like we're all an entrepreneur selling ourselves in some way or another selling something we create some knowledge we have or just our time or labor, whatever it is, it's just that most of us are just selling, you know, we're just being entrepreneurs with one product, our time to one to one client, whatever that employer is. So we're all kind of doing it to some of us are doing it in a what I would say, especially in 2021 is an irresponsible way. I'm not saying it's irresponsible to just have a job and go to your work and make an earn income and just think about that. But to to not be thinking about outside the box, especially after the last 1819 months, especially with sweeping mandates coming down against it seems like they're coming after almost anyone who's an employee, if you're not thinking about this stuff, I think you're doing yourself a disservice. And for me, and I'm and when I say this stuff, like I'm talking as much to myself, past versions of myself part of the future or current and future versions of myself. I'm doing it maybe as much to motivate myself as anybody else. Because it all starts right here. You know, the man in the mirror like this is where everything starts. So if we're talking about liberty, four out there talking about liberty, I think it's important that we be the kind of people that people want to follow. So if we want to talk about how much liberty how liberal how great liberty is, it's hard to do that. If you don't have some in your own life. If you don't have some control over your own life. If you can't make your rent next week. It's really hard to get people to listen to what you're saying to what you're saying about Liberty and hackery freedom is

Brian Nichols  
you need liberty in your own life. I wrote that down, because how often Mark, I asked this question so rhetorically, how often do we see the libertarian on social media? Who has all the answers to everything? And then that used

Marc Clair  
to be me? So I guess, you know, but but I don't have all the answers. I do

Brian Nichols  
hurts though. Now, right now, it hurts when we sit there and we see a person, because we're like, number one, you're wasting your time. But number two, what are you? Who are you like, what are you doing? Why do you think? And this right here hurts? I think a lot libertarians are here. Yeah. Why do you think people will listen to you? Like, they look at your life. And they're like, I'm not going to take advice from someone who I'm at a quick glance thinking isn't in a better position in life than me. That's just human nature, folks. And instead of acknowledging that, we get insulted, we get mad, and then we make our libertarian parties, little, you know, social clubs, which just makes me vomit. But like the fact that that's how we've approached this. Let me ask you this. Do you see at least maybe a turn in the right direction with the tenor of the politics? And I asked that my premising it with the context that I just saw a poll 71% of Americans think woke culture has gone too far. And it's hurting society only 2020 or 29% think that it's you know, it's actually helpful. You're seeing Joe Biden let's go Brandon permeate throughout the society as people will realize more and more that you know, inflation is running rampant. COVID restrictions are increasing in mass and people are looking for ways out. Is there hope and I just talked about the Eric breaky, you know, that proverbial white pill, are we taking steps in the right direction?

Marc Clair  
You know, this is something I've had to think about a lot, because after a lot of those podcast appearances I've made recently, several people have like, said to me that, you know, I seem really pessimistic, or seem really black pilled. And, and actually, I appreciate hearing that because I, I don't want to come across as like the, the bummer, you know, like the guy that's like, just delivering the bad news. And it's kind of like a tough line to walk because I want to be Mr. Positive I want to be and I think I am like, I think just by taking control of my own life, I'm leading in a sort of by example, but you know, I, I don't want to discourage like, I guess it's, how do I put this, it's kind of like, I feel like I stopped lying to myself at some point in the last year and a half. Because before this, it really seemed to me like even still, in my mind, while I was serious about the political issues serious now serious about the Ron Paul campaigns shit, I maxed out my money to those campaigns, when before I even like, had money that's been like, I probably shouldn't have been actually. But, you know, I think that I, in many ways, politics was like still like a hobby. To me, it was like a just a fun thing to talk about. Now, I can go to Libertarian party conventions, and hang out with like minded people, and we can go party afterwards to hang out on Bourbon Street, we can make like jokes about Mises and Rothbard. And we all get it and it's not weird. And it's like, you know, it's fun people you can get along with. And that's kind of like how I took it, and candidates run in the LP, and we know, they're not going to win. And they know, they come on my show, and I invite them on, they tell me, they're not going to win. And we all agree they're not going to win. And it's all fun, it's all well and good. And But now, after the last year, and I have like, this isn't a game anymore, you know, like, this is actually affecting everybody's life now. Like no one can really say they're not affected by this stuff at this point, except for maybe people that got a little more ahead of the game. And I mean, I guess he was not that affected by this. And not saying not because he's everybody's been affected to it, obviously, like, I was gonna say, Dave, you know, David's from New York. So he's obviously been affected tremendously in that way. But in terms of his personal life, in terms of being able take care of his family, he can do that, because he's, he's kind of made himself independently able to produce income, like there was comedy, there's podcasts. And the shutdowns didn't really affect him in that way. I'm sure they affected his personal life in many ways to just being from New York and everything, of course, or spike Cohen, for example, you know, like someone like that, who built a successful business, and now he's good, like, he can kind of do his own thing. And he doesn't have to worry about whatever mandates or whatever come down, he can choose to do what he wants. So I think people like that early, like good examples to follow. I just don't know if that political path is, is one that produces you know, much. And I think even they admit like they're not doing they're not following that political path. In order to gain office, they're doing it to influence people and sway people in a certain direction. I think there's value in that. But I also think, have you seen where we are, you know, like, like, we need to either take action in our own lives immediately or should have our Ready are trying to catch up, or put ourselves in better situations by moving geographically, or taking some kind of political action in a defensive way that will actually be immediately effective. And I guess like the long game project of the Mises caucus that I was a big supporter of when it first started a big fan of even hosted a big summit with like, a lot of the podcasters. Like Pete, like Tom like Dave, Jason Stapleton about, like our influence trying to get people into the LP, and it's made me think like, is that was that the right path? Like, you know, to get nerdy, with great power comes great responsibility. And there is power behind the microphone, especially when you have an audience. And so I've had to think of myself like, am I? Am I conveying the right message? And I think for many years, I saw myself more as just like a mediator or a moderator, somebody that just interviews people and kind of lets them have their have their speak, and that is what I do. But I do also feel the onus to kind of speak out a little bit more about what I'm actually thinking what's going on in my life. And maybe because my personal life has been affected so much by all this stuff, in what turns out to be a good way. So I'm fine with it, in a sense, because, you know, these world events that have happened have led to so many wonderful things in my life and led to me doing things and pushing myself in ways that I might not have if I was able to stay comfortable as I had been for many years prior. So I think being hungry and letting myself get hungry. You know, there's a big benefit to that to

Brian Nichols  
Mark, is it more so that you don't trust the LP? Or you don't trust the political, the political infrastructure as a means not to maybe give people liberty? Right. That is I don't think that's the the the argument, but more so to serve as a safeguard to help protect individual liberty, right, if we're going to go to the the monarchist argument for the state, right, you know, to maintain that just minute level of force to make sure that you're able to protect the individuals rights, let's just pretend that we can get to that Utopia world, right. Is that the issue though, that it's the LP trying to go this route versus something like a GOP a Rand Paul Massey approach?

Marc Clair  
Yeah, I think it's the vehicle more than the attend, because unfortunately, and this is something I didn't want to admit to myself for a long time, because we want to fight the power and fight the duopoly. But you know, we are in a two party system right now. And if you do want to affect change, you kind of have to do it within that two party system. That sucks to admit, but it's true, and we can fight the duopoly all we want, but that's a separate fight. You know, that's a separate fight from from like, actually trying to change things right now. And there's a lot of energy in this country, there's a lot of anti establishment energy in this country. And it's not residing in the LP. And when you jump when you're over on a third party, you're in some ways, you're kind of like telling those people you're not, you know, you're not there. We admitted on podcasts for years, I'll play the tapes of you. I mean, do we know it's not effective, but we just use it because it makes us feel better around about who we're around. That's ultimately what everybody says. They say I feel more at home in the LP, I like the people more in the LP, it feels like the place for me. Okay, that's great. That's great for a social club. Like you said, it's not great for political change, necessarily. If you want to create political change, you might have to go places you don't want to go that's just the reality of it. And that reality sucks, but it's still the reality so I'm not even reporting the facts. Mark. Is

Brian Nichols  
it partly also that we we've we as libertarians right there and that's the issue we say we as libertarians, small l, you're on the we are libertarians, networks. That's true. But we are as the Libertarians with the small l want to then identify with the big L Libertarian Party. And here's the thing, right? Conservatives don't go out and say I'm going to go be the Conservative Party, they go to be the Republican Party, because that's the vessel to get political action. We're looking at our political party, not as a means to get political action, but as a means to really feel good about ourselves for being right on the issues, which is a roll, I think, and maybe that's the argument, right? It is, is the LP at the point where we need to take a step back and say, Are we in a position to win elections? And hey, I'm not I'm not gonna at all, you know, cast aspersions to the elections that we have one, especially those local elections, more of that, and I think that has to be the approach specifically is focusing on those local elections. But then looking at where to, you know, just take a step back, maybe, I mean, I'm not trying to beat on I'm here because Greg Neely is a good friend of the show. But looking at the vote totals in New Jersey, he didn't even come in in third. He came in fourth. You the see that Madeline Hoffman, who I've never heard of she was a third place candy, the Green Party candidate. So there are certain states where if you want to have a say, like in New Jersey, where a truck driver who spent $150 in his campaign, just unset the sitting Senate majority leader that could have been a libertarian. Exactly. And we're seeing that in New Hampshire, right where the sitting, I think he's the House Majority speaker of the assembly. He's a Rothbardian. He believes in Austrian economics like that. That could be you. That Could Be Us, Thomas Massie and Rand Paul, are easily the best congressmen and best senators in in Congress hands down, like without a doubt. And yet, they don't have the big elements of their name. I think that's okay. And I guess that's my next question. Is that Is it okay? To do both approaches? Mark? Can we can we go out and live, live our best lives, but as we live that best life and accumulate that wealth, power and influence to live, that it truly autonomous lifestyle? Can we also still play that political game to try and make sure that we are holding back those, those individuals who wouldn't try to use government force to inflict as much, you know, devastation as they could? We're not for people who have been standing up and fighting back.

Marc Clair  
Sure. I mean, it's more than okay. To me, it's just to me, everything's okay. First of all, like, I'm not gonna tell people what to do. I can just tell people what to think, at the end of the day, so everything's okay. You know, but I will say that, I think it's about priorities. And I think, what I should prioritize, so I'm not saying you should, but what I prioritize now, and I think it's part of this now is that I got married last year and a year and a half. Yes, by the way, thank you. And so that does kind of change the way I mean, it's just a it's a nature and natural instinct, like, now I have a sort of a protective element of me, like I have people that I'm responsible for, and then I'm not gonna let anything happen to and that influences everything I do. And some might say that I didn't take the smart route on paper, actually, by maybe, you know, leaving my the situation I was in for various reasons, for a reason. And but I would actually say the opposite, because I'm actually taking control. Now, finally, for once, and not letting, not letting some things hold me back from that. And I'm taking control of my own life, my own income, and it's, it's not going to be a smooth road. But guess what, life isn't always a smooth road. And sometimes maybe you got to, like, maybe you got to spend a few weeks eating ramen, I'm not there. But I'm just saying maybe sometimes you got to do that. Hopefully, it's mostly when you're in college. But you know, sometimes you might have to make sacrifices in the short term to actually improve your situation in the long term. And I think that now, especially now that that short term and long term is getting, they're getting smushed together, because everything feels like a short term priority right now. Like, I mean, it pains me every day when I see people saying, like, I'm losing my job, because the vaccine mandate, or I have to take this shot, because I can't pay my rent next week, if I don't. And that hurts me to see like I say this stuff out of love, you know, and love for my people, man, like I Ron Paul, people are Liberty people, what have you. You know, if I see a friend driving off the road, and I yell at him to stop driving off the road, it's not because I'm mad at him, it's because I don't want to drive off the road. And I don't want to go with him either. So that's kind of my approach here. Like I just want, I just want people to think, to realize we're not in the game anymore. Like, if you're looking at politics as a fun thing, we do a place you make friends, yeah, we go out and have cake campaigns and have fun, and doesn't matter if we win, I'm not gonna say you shouldn't do that. But if you're if you do, if you're doing that, and you don't know how you're gonna pay your rent next week, if you lose your job, because of X mandate, or because of anything, then then I would say that you might want to think about prioritizing some other things first, that's what I would say. And if you're in a situation where there's immediate political action, you can get involved in that will in a defensive way that will better your situation on a local level, then do that too. And if that happens to work doing it and the LP, then do that I'm not saying not, I don't actually really care what the vehicle is. I just think people should realize that we're not in the game, and it's getting real, and it's gonna get more and more real, because these mandates are not disappearing. And I I want to be wrong, like so maybe people have a point when they say I'm black, pilled or pessimistic. So I encourage everyone to fight them and resist them and not comply with them. Because they're immoral, and you shouldn't freakin bargain with evil. So I want everyone to resist that. I want everyone to resist at all, even even people that took the vaccine early. I think you should still resist mandates. But that's not what's happening. That's not what I see happening, especially with a lot of libertarians. So I'm here to say, you know, I think you got to think about things differently. If you're in a position where you're complying with things you don't want to comply with, or complying with things because you think it's gonna make life easier because guess what, buckos it's not it's only gonna get harder from here.

Brian Nichols  
I also think Mark and I'm not telling you your lived experience is wrong. I promise you I'm not I'm not one of those those man splinters. But rather I think I'm experiencing this myself is that when I hit my microphone, is that it's been tough. In the northeast, you hailed from California, and the Northeast, specifically, you know, I New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York, that specific area, got hit hard and the lockdowns were intense. California lockdowns, intense. So we've seen the worst And I say worse so loosely because coming up, you know, at some point here, you guys are gonna hear from our friend Stuart from Liberty down under. Because Australia things are insane. I mean, people aren't even are they're afraid to go on a podcast because they're afraid the government's gonna come and arrest them. That's dystopian, that's just it's insane that we are at this point where that's the conversation in Australia. But in the Northeast, and in California, we've experienced the worst of the American COVID response. And it's been very difficult for me to understand how there are some libertarians out there who have been so May, about things. And I think partly mark, it's because they really haven't experienced what we've experienced. They haven't seen what happens when, you know, two thirds of your community looks at you like you're the word weird person, because you're not wearing a mask when you're walking outside, alone, or with your dog. Right, like that becomes it like what this isn't, this isn't real life.

Marc Clair  
I do think that's part of it. I do think like, being in places that we see, the worst of this stuff is definitely I don't think Black pilled I think it's just realistic. pilled it's like, here's what's happening. pilled like, I'm not imagining things like this occurred. I live through it. So you know, but yeah, I think maybe people that live in areas that weren't as affected by it, or people that have jobs that were easily kept remotely, or I don't know, people that just never went out that much in the first place. They didn't notice all the restaurants that are shut down around them. I don't know. But I saw big time, like not just my personal life just looking at I was Angeles, almost everyone I knew is that a word for three months, everyone? La San Marino, so many people that work in the TV industry, and that didn't have full time jobs. So you know, when that stuff was shut down, they just don't have money for three meals, get have an income for three months, and I saw this soap among not just the libertarian community, like all my friends, everybody I know. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, it's so and maybe, maybe they think like, oh, I live in this place where it doesn't really affect me or something. But I just this is a virus and I'm not talking about COVID. This is a mind virus and you would not, it's not contained by borders. So I think there are places you can move to, for short term kicking the can down the road benefits. But at the end of the day, I think this is coming in, in many ways, almost everywhere. It's not everywhere.

Brian Nichols  
It's institutionalized. hypochondria, it's yes, it's wild mark. But with that being said, I can't believe it worry, close press to the time here. So what we want to do is make sure we give you the final bit of time to promote anything you're working on, but also want to make sure we direct people towards the amazing flagship show that you had over at the amazing team of lions of liberty. So that being said, Mark clear the floor is yours.

Marc Clair  
Yep, time every Monday on the flagship Lions of liberty podcast. You can also listen to my compatriots Brian McWilliams on Wednesdays with electric Liberty land John odermatt on Thursdays with finding freedom. That's the line Liberty crew right there. can also find me on the second print comics podcast with we are libertarian zone Ramza Martinez, every single Wednesday where we get nerdy talk comics, it's not political, but we're both libertarians. So you know that stuff's coming out one way or the other. Second, print comics calm or find us on podcast for that. I also do a little writing on substack occasionally now, you can find that my subject is called metanoia. And you can find it at Mark Claire dot substack. Calm also, I tweet a lot. I'm addicted to Twitter. I admit it. You can follow me on Twitter at Mark declare mark with a scene on a K. Last Name CL AR No he at Mark declare.

Brian Nichols  
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