383: What Has Happened to Australia?! -with Stuart from LibertyDownUnder.

Brian Nichols  
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Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
good to be here. Absolutely. Stuart, thank

Brian Nichols  
you so much for taking the time to join us today. And thank you for fighting the good fight in the country that we used to look at I think is in relatively kind of normal. Nothing really conspicuous in terms of your your happenings. But all of a sudden, Australia became really topic of conversation here over the past two years, and maybe not for the best of reasons. So thankfully, we got folks like us Stewart down there fighting the good fight. And yes, being champions and voices for liberty. But let's start off just introduce yourself to The Brian Nichols Show audiences specifically, how are things down in Australia?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
Look, every day is is really worrying for for everyone. Everyone I talk to like this trying to get through one day at a time at this point.

Brian Nichols  
Yeah, one day at a time. Well, let's dig into that. Um, one day, the time is tough, because in our world, and I say that, you know, we see this, I can't even really put into context of what you're experiencing. Things are rough, right? Like the cities are still, the cities are still weird, you know, but what you're experiencing, it's come. It's like everything we've experienced times 100. I mean, you have people being, you know, locked up for standing against these just insane COVID mandates, and it doesn't seem like people are really giving an inch in terms of lifting these restrictions. Are we wrong there? Stewart? Is there any glimmer of hope?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
Look, there is but there's not much. I think I think it is possible to come out of this, but it's gonna be can be a hard fight to do. Yeah,

Brian Nichols  
it will definitely be a hard fight. So specifically, why why do you think it's gonna be a hard fight?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
Could it's all about the cultural war really, like I talked to people all the time in America. And there was like, if you guys had gotten to be, you'd be free. And I'm like, because we were for those who don't know, we had a mandatory gun buyback in 1996. So we've got a lot of gun control. Since then. A lot of Americans say it's because you guys don't have guns. That's why you're not fighting back against tyranny. And my argument always is, well, that's just a symptom of the actual problem itself, that your problem is the same mindset that caused us to give up our guns 25 years ago, is what's causing us today to submit the tyranny? It's already got the cultural mindset and people people, what is that we take it, we take our freedoms for granted here. So we didn't fight a war of independence like America, we gained independence by voting in a to get our constitution sent to the UK Parliament to get approved by them. And then they proved that and gave it to us. So we've got our independence through voting. So we we haven't we haven't also fought a war, like international defense, we haven't really been at risk from war. So we don't take freedoms, if they're taken for granted here. They're not, you know, really valued in any way.

Brian Nichols  
Interesting, interesting. And what about the people who have now seen firsthand their individual liberties restricted? It? Has there been any pushback whatsoever, even though they maybe aren't inclined to look at freedom as a natural, I guess? I would say a natural right, which just feels so weird to even question that. But is that the case?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
There's some pushback from the fringes and different state premiers, which is our version of the governor have different approaches. They're all degrees of tyranny, but some of the minus bed is others. But by and large, anyone who's resisting is on the fringes of society.

Brian Nichols  
Tell me more. Tell me more about the people who are resisting who can we look to as the people standing in right now against this just authoritarian lockdown that's been taking place in Australia.

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
So you've got there's a few like, our main conservative media outlet, Sky News, which is our version of Fox has been critical of the left wing governments and their tyranny, let's say from the right. So because of course they've got their own you know, personal agenda of you know, support the right attack the left work left attacks, the left supports text the right supports to left it's it both sides are doing it basically. But between the left and the right in the media, they're taking everyone and defending everyone. Then you got a few fringe political parties. I say fringe because they're because they're minor. We do actually have minor players. I'm America because we've got preferential voting so we do have a few minor parties that have a couple of senators or members of parliament here and there. They've a few of them have been critical of lockdowns, but by and large, the masses are pretty supportive of it. And even when they do try and speak out, they shut down. So we had a few tradies or tradesmen, I guess. A few weeks ago they were protesting against mandatory vaccines in their industry in Victoria. And then the secretaries union secretary came out, the National Union secretary came out and called them far right extremists. And these are union workers. So if anyone who speaks out is far extremist, then excited as that was Monday, the next day, we had another protests, were even more tradesmen came out in force, wearing, you know, high vis IVs clothing and then they got labeled by the left as being apparently they were paid actors from the Liberal Party, which is our conservatives. Apparently, they're all paid actors and they're all far right Nazis, Neo Nazis. If you're anti locked in, you're pro COVID, all this sort of rhetoric against anyone who's speaking out. And as you said, people being locked up as well. So we had one guy who was inciting protests, a good eight months behind bars, lots of fines. This currently law was before the parliament in Victoria Right now, for if you break our restrictions and put someone in a serious risk, it's a $90,000 Fine, or two years behind bars that is in US dollars at 67,000. I'm pretty sure 90,000 Australian dollars, so it's ridiculous.

Brian Nichols  
Wow, wow. It's interesting. You say, everybody who opposes the COVID regime over in Australia, they're either labeled far right extremists, Neo Nazis, and wow, people in America. They're, they're nodding their head in agreement, because you hear the echo of that. And instead, was it hear your racist? Right, we heard this with Glenn Glenn Younkin, winning his his seat there in Virginia, for the governorship. In response to it. Yo, you you had a course of leftist pundits on all the corporate media channels? And what were they saying? Racism, racism, racism, racism. And I think your average person, though, is starting to maybe tune that out, at least here in America. Is that not the case in Australia? Or do you see a glimmer of hope?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
Because before the race, there is some hope there's not much but there is some hope it'll be like, I don't expect to see anything changed this this year. And I'm expecting maybe in the new year, if we see the military being brought in, or when the COVID cams finally get up and running, that sort of stuff. Like that's when we're resisting, but like in America, you got to the Bill of Rights to people at least know that their theoretical rights and you know, they have an understanding of what the right to free speech, the right to bear arms, we didn't have anything like that. A couple of states have human rights acts as just normal statutes. And they're not the same level as the Constitution. They're just, you know, the same as everything else. And in those acts had bought have built into them a safety provision so that rights can be overridden in the name of safety. So we don't have this understanding people that don't know their rights, literally, like, people just don't understand, you know, what they are not allowed to do. Whereas in America, you guys do have the Bill of Rights to the table, and everyone can see it and read it. And it's simple to understand people know, their rights.

Brian Nichols  
People don't know their rights there. And what's scary, is that you said it might take the COVID camps, I wrote a note there you said COVID camps in the military, to wake people up. But you know that that's sad, but that maybe that will give you guys a little bit of a jumpstart, because you saw that especially, you know, in the 1950s and 60s, were really jump started the civil rights movement, was your average person saying no, we're not going to see black Americans be you know, beaten and have dogs chase after them that know that these are these are people and your average person, so to say enough, and I'm hoping that and unfortunately right if if it came to that, that your your average person who is so numb to what has been really, to your point, and you hit this I think the nail on the head, we had this here, especially in a lot of these more blue cities here in America is this kind of just under appreciation for what freedom actually is, and how, how easily it can be lost. And if you did have a little bit of a jumpstart, it could really give people in Australia some some hope, maybe and then maybe we can avoid this from happening in the future. Because, I mean, I see it, you know, we had livelihoods crushed. And it's all it was all in the name of public safety, right. The in our world it was the the essential workers versus the essential workers. So where do you see in terms of reaching the people who are turned turned off right now? How would you want to diagnose and trying to maybe get a playbook set up to reach them to get them to maybe be more empathetic to the anti lockdown anti mandate narrative?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
Well, that's why I'm I i That's why I encouraged non violent resistance because I look at like, as you said, the civil rights movement we saw, but they weren't fighting back with firearms, they'll be civil, civil, non resistance, you know, civil disobedience. They were not being violent, and they won hearts and minds. So I'd say it is very much being a hearts and minds issue, a cultural dialogue on a political one. Because the problem we have is, if anything, political is an uphill battle, because we've got so much apathy over here. So for those who don't know, voting is mandatory in Australia. It's been mentoring for about 100 years. So people see this as a civil duty, not a, you know, democratic privilege or anything like that. It will just go out on Saturday, cast their cast their vote at the election, and then go home for the rest. They could spend the weekend as well as people, you state as being the same as everything else in their life, that nothing important. So there's political apathy all across the country because of that. So even if we tried to do a political campaign, a lot of people just wouldn't care. So for every voter that we turn against the the establishment, there's another voter that will be voting for them regardless, because all they know is the major parties to the good the election, take a box and say they want to vote for this party and then go home. So that's the problem we have in political, the political fights, we have to rely on more and more the cultural side of things.

Brian Nichols  
Well, right there the cultural side of things I see in America, I see the temperature, you know, it's changed, the narratives have changed. There's a poll just came out, as we're recording here today. In the ninth, I think it was the Hill had a poll that they they just highlighted, and it was 7070 70%, or 77% of Americans say that woke culture has gone too far. And then you know, there's only like, 29% think that woke culture is acceptable. And that shows to me that there's a large group of people who have acknowledged fundamentally that the the leftist, progressive narrative has entirely jumped the shark. And I'm seeing the conversations change just in my circles just by people acknowledging how insane the narrative is, what do you think is stopping people from kind of even not even the apathy that you spoke of, but just getting out of that cognitive dissonance bubble of looking to see just what else is out there in terms of of thought, and the way of thinking in terms of approaching these these problems with different solutions.

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
is a problem for us is, you know, almost all of the media that you have is saying the same things. Same with the government to everyone saying these the same message over and over again, because we get stuck in their minds that this is one way to do it. It's all about safety. So I think it's constantly surrounded by the same information. There's no diversity, really, as I said, we do have one one news outlet, it's more conservative. But even then, you know, they're still not attacking. So they even then like they're going to only going to pick on certain certain states. Talking to people up in Queensland is where I am, and they criticize Dan Andrews in Victoria, but not the governor of New South Wales, which is more conservative. So it's all divided along political lines, but ultimately, this no one had taken we've told us left versus right. Not state versus the people. So people are too busy fighting one another to focus on fighting the state.

Brian Nichols  
It is state versus the people. Absolutely. And let's dig into beyond the corporate media. What about social media? Cuz I know I've seen that there's been an attempt, and I'm not sure tell me if I'm wrong. Did it actually go through and trying to curtail people from sharing information that goes against the government narrative in Australia from different social media channels?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
I say this over the place, say certain people down and stopping them from from from speaking out. We've had police cutting people's houses door knocking with with memes that they've made online. In New South Wales, no sorry. In, in Melbourne, in Victoria, we had a, I think was Melbourne. We had the police went to the house of a woman who was pregnant, because she shared one post on Facebook about the protests. People being locked up, the guy who got eight months behind bars, he ran Instagram account that was anti anti lockdown. He got in because of that there was around 20,000 followers. He got eight months behind bars because of it. When we had the treaty protests, Facebook stopped the live streams. So you couldn't even do live streams to show what's happening on the ground. At the same time the Victorian police got a no fly order over Melbourne. So the civilian helicopters couldn't fly over it and get aerial shots of having the protests were. So it's their collaboration by the media outlets, social media and the police. Really,

Brian Nichols  
how do you communicate so how are you able to get the messaging out there with all these barriers I've been putting in your way

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
I think it's just sheer determination at this point. Honestly, even even telegram isn't perfect because you've got police going on there and undercover agents going on there. So is really You know, trust neylon People have have to have very, very strict personal security measures online to that other people, that that's why you see so few podcasters because everyone's wants to hide their face. Because they don't want to get caught for because there was a law passed earlier this year that allows the federal government to access your phones, if they think you're going to commit, you could commit a federal crime, like treason. So they think they can access your phones and edit and alter or data on your phones, if and computers, if they think that you might, if they have a reasonable suspicion is that if they have a reasonable suspicion that you might commit a crime, that is a federal crime, we haven't seen anything on the state level like that yet, but we have seen it at a federal level, such you're tracing that sort of stuff. So that that's worrying as well. So people people have to be very, very, you know, guarded and what they do what they say online. That's why you don't see me saying things like Nazi and fascist and communist isn't like, I'm not gonna touch that. Because if I do, you know, I could be banned, I'll do more good being on here. And just being a bit more careful, then I would be going outright saying Nazi and communist and fascist and getting banned. You could do more good. And in the long term by but I'm not using those words. Because I can use other words in the stage and get the message across without using that language. So just, but then people that I know will still people in the opposite direction. And they'll always say that Nazi and fascist and communist status depends on the person and the you know, what they think is necessary for them to you know, avoid, avoid government, when it comes to social media.

Brian Nichols  
I laugh and you just said, That's worrying. Yeah, it's worrying. Because the little dystopian, we're gonna be real Stuart, like, yes, you're wrong. We're talking about this. And this is the part that kind of blows me away. We're in 2021. And two years ago, 2019. But if we had even like that, okay, worst case scenario, where do you see the planet in two years? In a year? Like, I don't even think like, in your most insane Stephen King novel, what do you have? What's what's really not just taking place in specific hotspots, but it's taking place globally. And we've seen, this is where I get banned. We've seen it seems like a concerted effort across the board to have one narrative of what works to prevent the virus. And then the other saying, Hold up, timeout. Can we look at the actual data? Can we look at the actual science, that's why I've been trying to raise up the voices of people like Nick cousin from Panda, because you know, they're going out and they're doing the hard work to look and find not just the actual data of the the pandemic, the pandemic, but also going into the context of it and showing not just the death toll, and the the numbers but also the economic impacts as well. And you have other folks out there like Jeffrey Tucker, from the brownstone or brownstone Institute who are doing great work. So that's why we need to raise up more of these voices. And candidly, Stuart, that's why it's sad that, you know, we have to get to a point where we only can get one or two people from Australia to be able to come on shows because they're afraid. They're afraid to even talk about stuff because of what the government might do from knocking in their door because it posted a meme. Man, I'm, I'm hoping for you guys. I'm praying for you guys. So what can we do? Right? This, this shows about solutions, we want to be able to help wherever we can. So where can we help? What can we do on our end to help all you folks down under from going under?

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
Because I think I think the best thing that you guys can do is like Make some noise. If you see anything online Share, especially police violence. That's the big thing that'll give it the attention and phys ed, like just average but you don't want news story just saying you know here's here's an update on Australia, you know, isn't going to be as hard hitting as here's a here's a police officer beating up a woman. He's a police officer, a pepper spraying woman at the protests like that's what that's gonna be what you use to get real anger because we've had seen someone that some people even you're more moderates have seen the police violence that's been enough for me to to flip egg against the government. But then on the other hand, you've got leftists who are calling for police brutality, and Tifa Australian Tifa which is I wish I wish I had to stay with you guys. I don't think we should have an overhead. It's bad enough as it is without having anti fur over here. And Tifa is doing pro lockdown rallies now deterring counter protests against anti lockdown practices that then they're doing they go apparently they're doing a pro lockdown protest earlier also later this month at some point which is ridiculous. But they're at their you know, saying that really like anyone should be should be locked up and the police need to enforce these mandates if you don't comply should be locked up. We're seeing all these leftists on online you know, supporting police violence. When last year there was saying that we need to defund the police. Oh my god, I put a clip that there couple months ago, in fact, you had a police officer, the Deputy Police Commissioner for Victoria last year, said that it's a human right to be able to protest. And then you have a police commander this year, from Victoria getting he said a protester, nothing, they've never worked out do it. So this time last year, or or June, July, last year, you had police kneeling with protesters. Same time this year, you got police pepper spraying protesters for wanting freedom of choice. So definitely, you know, sharing everything you can creating international international outrage. Again, obviously, you're gonna, whenever the far left, the far left would probably say you guys and meddling Americans meddling Brits, etc. But you've got like the MPs from Poland, for example, that will add to the strain embassy complaining about the Australian Government. So create an international anger to get force, the government's hand is probably the best thing that you guys can do right now, where we try and fight on the ground, there's got to be concerted efforts from all around the world, if we're gonna have any chance of our freedom because a strain loan country this because there's no international internationally, we're not seeing any much contamination, but if we can get the international pressure as well on the government, because we know the government cares about their image internationally. So if we can try and rely on that and use some leverage, that'd be definitely be be advantageous for Australians.

Brian Nichols  
I'm just shocked, Stuart, that we're having this conversation about Australia, of all places, it just it still baffles my mind. But with that being said, obviously, yes, we will make sure we continue to raise awareness. And we'll continue to raise the fervor when we see the atrocities taking place. Yes, specifically from the hands of those state agents. And unfortunately, it's those people who are sadly behind that thin blue line. In many cases, right here in Australia, you're seeing in your case, how quickly how quickly things can turn from being the people who protect and serve to now are enforcing and demanding and that's scary. So with that being said, we want make sure we can point folks, especially for our audio listener, to go ahead and find find you online to continue the conversation. So with that being said, Stuart, where can folks go ahead and go ahead and reach out if they want to learn more

Stuart (LibertyDownUnder)  
so on Twitter at Liberty den under on this boat, you India, on Instagram, it's u n d er, then you can check out our podcast the country of liberty, which is on Apple, Spotify, etc. Plus the Australian TV network, which I've set up to, you know, to help get the message out there we've got it. That's that's what the podcast is part of that. We've got a website being launched, hopefully, hopefully, within a week. It's been a very delayed but hopefully that'll come out within a week or website as well. You can find a YouTube channel strain LIBERTY NETWORK on on YouTube. We'll put some videos there some live streams about what's going on over here as well. Awesome. That page, you can find that page in Twitter as live network as well. Don't you love the fact that

Brian Nichols  
you know you're already in the future? By the way we're recording here? for that? I said that we're recording the ninth he's already on the 10th He's recording 9am His time. So yeah, if you heard a little bit of a lag there folks don't blame us as to its the fact that we're, you know, across the world from each other and also probably the Australian feds are going after us. So with that being said, Folks, we'll make sure we include all the links, it's easier for you to go ahead and follow Stuart and also support all the work that they're doing that down there down quite literally down there. Down Under Liberty down under. We'll go ahead and say head over to the Brian Nichols show.com Show notes you can go ahead and click your show Note link artwork right there on the podcast catcher it will bring you to not only today's episode, you can find the entire transcript of the episode but also all 400 Plus episodes of The Brian Nichols Show. But with that being said, Stuart from Liberty down under thanks for joining the program. Thank you

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