363: Homefront Battle Buddies -with Adam Kokesh

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Adam Kokesh  
man, I love streaming. I love connecting with you like this. Thank you for hosting me today and for this conversation for the opportunity to talk to your audience about home from battle buddies.

Brian  
Absolutely. And right there. Adam Homefront, battle buddies. We are so excited to talk about that. Because I mean right now and let's kind of look at let's set the stage right? Why this is so important. When you look at especially and I've seen this in my circles, I'm from upstate New York originally, and it's in the Greater Fort Drum area. And I have a lot of friends who were veterans, and and they were crushed after what they just saw happen here this past year, with our just up and leaving in Afghanistan, literally looking around and asking one another. Was it all for nothing. And a lot of people have really facing some dark demons and it's really hit the area hard. So I know from my hometown, Adam, it's it's an area where we really are facing some personal struggles and we're looking for solutions and a lot of people out there are looking for solutions. And you along with your cohort there Edda Vallejo, you guys have gone ahead and got Homefront, battle buddies, which is giving veterans an alternative versus the go into a you know, regular pain pill pusher doctor and actually try to resolve some of these issues. So let's dig into this. What are Homefront, battle buddies? And what has been the response thus far?

Adam Kokesh  
Well, I want to start with a personal story if you don't mind, because this is very personal to me. I was in Fallujah in 2004. With the Marine Corps I was in combat. I don't want to you know, try to burnish my military credentials like oh, you know, I've been through the shit but I've seen enough I've experienced enough that I'm I've dealt with PTSD myself from that experience. And when I went to the VA, I was living in DC, at the time, was active with Iraq Veterans Against the War, and Washington, DC, VA hospital, the flagship of VA health care. And I went in there, because I was having trouble sleeping. I was I had a little, like involuntary memory recall. Sometimes I'd have I have nightmares, I wouldn't even remember them. But I wake up in the middle of the night, sit and pull up, right? Like, oh, where's my uniform in my rifle, I gotta be somewhere, you know that, you know, that kind of thing. And I just wanted someone to help me sleep through the night. And I walked out of the VA. And it's funny because I actually do get a prescription from the VA today, that helps me sleep, separate story. But it's, it's actually that I've gotten it through, not through the VA through other channels around the VA, to get to better medicine. But even then, in the case of that, I was given five prescriptions, and three of them had suicide listed as side effects.

suicide or suicidal ideations as side effects of the drugs they were trying to give me, tell me sleep at the VA, five minute conversation with a shrink, no getting to know me or community involvement, or you know, any other kind of therapy, or there's, here's five prescriptions, boom. And I walk out of that little brown paper bag, I was like, you know, what, this is, this is nuts. There's like, there's no way I am to be just as a patient, in general, being a conscientious patient. You know, when someone gives, when a doctor, I say something, when a doctor gives you a prescription, I do the research, you know, I read it, I start taking a medication, if I'm going to start taking it, like kind of in isolation and see what effect it's gonna have on me. If it's gonna mess with something else I'm using, or if it's gonna, you know, do this, you take five prescriptions at once, you have no idea what that's gonna do to your head. And I know, this is making the connection to the bigger issue all of a sudden, but think about 22 veterans suicides a day. Oh, yeah, a lot of people try to contextualize that, and say, well, compared to the civilian rate, well, it's not like new vets coming on with PTSD. It's older vets, blah, blah, blah. And and I'm not trying to like blow this up with some pull at the heartstrings. Like oh, yes, we have to do something. But yeah, we do have to do something. Because it's, it's frickin insane how veterans are handled in the mental health care system through the VA, and a lot of cases, guys who are in my situation, don't have the support of friends and a community of veterans. And, and aside from all the other political stuff mixed in with Iraq Veterans Against the War, it was a loving, supportive community of veterans who had no problem saying, it doesn't matter if it's legal or illegal, you should do what's good for you. And so I had access to cannabis. And it might be a bit of a stretch. But I I can't say that cannabis definitely saved my life, but it might have, because if I didn't have access to cannabis, I was instead using those prescriptions. Yeah, I could have down, gone down a very dark path with with those, as a lot of veterans are still doing today. And so I want to provide that opportunity for every veteran in America. And a big part of home from battle buddies, is the online organizing and the advocacy, and just telling veterans like, please, please, please, don't just trust the VA doctors without question, please, please, please consider the alternatives. Please, please, please value your life and know that there are Americans out there who want to help you when the government has failed you. And in so many ways. It's not even arguable is when the government failed the American veterans community. Yeah, no kidding. So for all the ways that government has failed us, eventually, with in person retreats, and every alternative therapy available with home from battle buddies, we want to serve America's veterans that way, and make sure ultimately, that we're the last generation combat veterans the world ever knows, because we believe that empowering veterans means empowering us to tell our stories, and to make sure that America and the world learn the lessons of our experience. And so while as an organization, we are a political obviously, I bring my political motivation into this. I believe this is important not just because I want it not just because it's community service, but it's priority for me, because I think it's an important struggle for everyone. And the model that we're creating for access to alternative therapies with retreats is you know, as we talked about with giving people that safe space, safe safe space, yeah, but that's not what I meant. The comfortable space to get. The left stole the word safe space like term I can't say safe space without invoking all that other nonsense. But yeah, to create a comfortable space for for veterans to experiment with cannabis with psilocybin, with MDMA, with ketamine. Everything that we can safely make available here isn't non profit. We're just a facilitator. But that's what we're facilitating here. And we want to empower veterans to, to explore everything that's available. And if veterans don't have the ability to do this, if we can't fight for and establish the that, that veterans have the right, what chance do the rest of y'all have as a second class citizens in the eyes of the state to enjoy your freedom? And and I think that, as a society as a whole, this isn't just a fight for veterans, by veterans. But I hope that everybody who believes in freedom sees the value in using veterans as sort of the the battering ram to knock down the remainder of the war on drugs.

Brian  
And and one of the things you were going off, and I started to write down some notes here that it really just sparked something, because we always went through this COVID 19 Over the past almost two years now. Are we I don't know. Well, and I'm looking right now at well, veterans, right, we were talking about the lack of community love lack of the ability to talk to people who are experiencing the similar things. And I'm only guessing, but I would love to hear your perspective. I can only guess that this has only been exacerbated with COVID-19 veterans feeling isolated. Okay. Can you dig into that?

Adam Kokesh  
Yeah, I can't say it's been good for veterans during this time, especially for veteran suicides. One of the things that, you know, again, staying away from anything that's that because I have I have very strong political opinions about COVID. And, and everything else, kind of keep out of this. But one of the things that I think is universally frustrated about the situation with COVID is the isolation and the lack of understanding of data because data is being withheld. So, we only have a vague sense of how bad things are for Americans as a whole in terms of mental health, with COVID lockdowns, shutdowns, and the ongoing economic hardships around it. A lot of veterans, you know, like myself on on disability from the VA at least have some stable income during this time. But the isolation has not been good. And one of the things that I'm concerned with is the misreporting of statistics. I know this is this is this is on the edge of the political, but because a lot of deaths are being falsely attributed to COVID, you know, people who test positive for COVID are listed as COVID deaths, we're actually seeing the other things that veterans die from, like suicides not being properly counted not being really accounted for and addressed in all this, a lot of veterans are, you know, in the Cavalier category of attitudes towards COVID, being relatively young and healthy, and, you know, I've, I've been exposed to so much, and I've been shot up with so much, whatever, it doesn't matter, you know, that kind of stuff. And so I think, you know, a lot of veterans are able to maintain that. But for even for me, during this time, it's like, Wait, now going to the VA, is that much more of a pain in the butt, like, really, I got, I gotta, I gotta go through COVID hoops, and I gotta wear a mask, and I gotta wait longer. And he's ill I know, that sounds like silly, you know, kind of just little aggravating stuff. But for veterans who are already, you know, very reluctant to use the VA, it's like, one, one more big thing we got to deal with. And I will say one of the things I got, I'll give a shout out. And this is this is partly for the sake of home for a battle buddies here in northern Arizona, near Ashford, we have an amazing independent clinic in town called Owlchemy. apothecary with a registered nurse Daniel night. And he does an incredible job. And so I'm hooked up with him through the VA where the VA pays for me to go see him as an independent provider. And that's one of the things that we want to do, especially during this time, is help veterans navigate around some of those hurdles and find better ways is a you know, a lot of this is marginal stuff. And it sounds like it's not a big deal. But in the aggregate it really so when you say like, you know, there are 22 veterans suicides a day. Well, how many of those could have been prevented? If if those guys had just had better access to mental health interventions three years prior? You know, it's not like, oh, well, the VA sucks so bad. He killed himself, but it's like, well, he was dealing with depression and then alcoholism and they had this thing at the VA, but he was on a waitlist and then he got put off and then this other thing happened with his family. and then COVID it. And then he lost that last bit of support. And then he gave up and committed suicide. You know, it's a lot of contributing factors like that. And right now the VA is a source of a lot of headache and frustration, and COVID didn't make it any better. So all the more important now than ever before to create this sense of community of veterans outside of official channels, absolutely.

Brian  
I go back to my day job as I'm a sales executive here in the greater telecom cybersecurity world. And one of the things that we focus on is making it easier for medium to large businesses to access cybersecurity solutions, because the threats that are out there are so severe, and they've been increasing exponentially. So I look at it makes sense, from the business perspective, you want to make it as easy as possible for people to get the services in this case, the cybersecurity solutions they need. But look at Veterans and to your point, Adam, it's

Adam Kokesh  
your government and you don't have any competition, screw the customers, right?

Brian  
Well, and that's the part of the problem is that we don't have that incentive in place to really have these alternatives. And that's why what you're doing with Homefront, battle buddies is so important. So let's dig into creating these easier to access alternative solutions to veterans. So if I'm a veteran, I'm looking for help. And I'm going to home from battle buddies, what can I expect to experience my start off step one?

Adam Kokesh  
Well, let me tell you, first of all, we are very new as an organization. And right now we only really have one active program for vets that come to us. And that's our internship residency program. As we build out our facilities and our organization to be able to provide the complete array of services that are part of the homefront, battle buddies vision. Right now, we have an awesome program director with Ed Vallejo here, who's an Army veteran himself from the Vietnam era, just post Vietnam. And he is over overseen interns who come here who want to live and work and enjoy sort of the non program benefits of the facility and what Homefront battle buddies has to offer. Once we get established, we and we already have a phone number, you can look it up. It's a Google Voice number that goes to Ed's phone. I'm sorry, I don't know what else on my head. Basically, what we'll have one 800, Homefront, battle buddies or something, right. But you go to home from battle buddies.org, you can look all this stuff up, you can get in contact with us. And what we want to offer

is something with two, two things that are really unique. We're in the realm of veteran service organizations right now. And and some of the stuff we're talking about isn't that unique? Like we want to offer a comprehensive benefits consulting program. First of all, it's a judgment call. And right now, Ed and I are going through the initial training and developing this program to be able to, to do this to run a hotline as home from battle buddies, so that you can call up and say, Hey, I'm a veteran, run down the list for me, help me figure out everything I'm eligible for that I'm entitled to as a veteran, according to the government, according to non government organizations, according to legal privileges, according whatever and help people go through every single thing that that might be applicable to them. And there are different organizations doing their own versions of this. We think that because we are approaching this from a libertarian understanding of government, we are going to be uniquely capable of providing something that is more comprehensive, for example, you call the VA? Yeah, they'll give you everything the VA offers, and they'll send you to some other people, but are they going to tell you every single tax break that you're entitled to or home loan opportunity, or veteran, you know, benefit that comes with with something outside, they'll tell you, you can get you, you get a free meal at Applebee's on Veterans Day, and I'll tell you stuff like that. But we want to dig into the bigger stuff in terms of benefits consulting, like and showing people all the little loopholes and tricks and working the system, like with Alchemy apothecary here, I wouldn't have known that this was an option, if I hadn't seen the bulletin board here in town and ash work, and then pursued it and figured out the process, you know, with their help. And then, you know, had to navigate the VA say, pay them. And so they can take care of me instead of me having to go to the VA hospital that in our case is an hour away. So benefits consulting. Right now. We're just getting started on that. But I think that's something that we can provide in a unique, empowering way that really no one else can or no one else is currently and even if they are, there's not enough of it. Second thing here with the online services and community, we were going to be creating a forum online and that sort of next round of fundraising. Next round. By the way, our website is set up home from battle buddies.org And you can donate there, we are a registered, licensed to operate as a nonprofit for tax deduction purposes 501 C three, so anybody who can donate, we also want to help people I should say, Take tax deductions with this Of course, we don't want people to pay any more in taxes than they absolutely have to, which really should be zero. But again, very, very into the political here. So if you want to volunteer, if you want to donate right now we're building a gym and a greenhouse. On the lower level of our property. Here, we have 10 acres in the mountains in Arizona near ash work. So anything that people want to donate or contribute to building the facility, we want to give you the receipts for tax write offs, deductions, etc, etc. So while we're doing this, the next building out the online organization includes building out a forum and it's not just a put up a bulletin board, make it look like Ron Paul forums, and, you know, if you build it, they will come. No, it's a serious, you know, start up an online community. That means having moderators and, you know, regular content, and people that are from our organization, who are helping people with their questions, and then it's a forum for veterans to come. And part of, again, part of the the unique value of this because there's a lot of competition in this space. And we're not pretending that everything we're doing is brand new from the ground up. But we're hoping that with an online forum like that, specifically, with the intent of censorship, free pursuing alternative therapies, no restrictions event like we as a 501, C three, we follow the law, precisely right. We don't want to compromise our 501 C three status, but we facilitate veterans, doing and talking about illegal things. And we are we are happy to say that, you know, even from a harm reduction perspective, we are able to do that legally. And so we are fostering that conversation, where veterans can discuss cannabis, although, at this point, you know, it's it's more about delivering it and empowering veterans to use it in a practical way. But MDMA, psilocybin, ketamine, anything else they want to discuss, we want to encourage that. So home from battle buddies.org, we're going to be building out a forum there. In virtual programs, one of the things that a lot of veterans have found beneficial, myself included when I got back. And when I was first getting involved with Iraq Veterans Against the War, there was a lot of creative writing. And there, there was a lot of art, art therapy is an important means of expression. This really gets to, for me, what's what's foundational to this experience is talk therapy, because it was so important to me, by the way, I'm going over a lot and going back here, sidebar, historical origin of the brand Homefront, battle buddies. I came up with that when I was active with Iraq Veterans Against the War in Washington, DC, and home from battle buddies was our weekly peer support group therapy talk session. And

a big part of getting over PTSD for veterans is just taking things that are in your subconscious and rattling around and controlling and affecting you in ways that you don't want and understand taking it and articulating it. So that it can be front and center in your conscious mind for you to be able to process and art. And creative writing is often a way to get to things that you didn't know were there. Or that you really have to dig and, you know, marinate and express through through art to be able to get to come out in that same therapeutic process. So creative writing as a program online with them from battle buddies and publishing, we're going to be publishing my as of yet unreleased war memoir as one of the first books with the homefront, battle buddies publishing program. So we have that to look forward to as we get involved with more, you know, online organization, and we get to step up some more. But then the, the sort of crown jewel, of the services that we are offering with home from battle buddies is the week long retreats. And this is a model we're still developing because it's not something that we take lightly to say, hey, yeah, come for a week and we encourage you to do whatever, you know, crazy drugs you want to do. No, that's not what we're talking about. It is going to be like I said, a very, very safe space, you know, comfortable space for experimentation. So for veterans, who maybe have never even smoked cannabis to be able to come out for a week and say, Hey, we've got an all expenses paid for for you. There's going to be a cannabis caterer there was going to give you you know, every possible form of cannabis that you could ingest, as well as give you some coaching and how to use it. You have a week with no responsibilities and you have people looking out for you. And so you can figure out a way to use it to your benefit. And similarly to the extent that we can with with with doctors. A lot of ketamine has already been administered in clinics all across the United States. As you know ketamine therapy for depression. And with with medical supervision, we want to be able to offer that here as well in our one week retreats. So going back to, you know where we are now, we're just starting to get our website fully organized. It's really coming together beautifully, we've got our board of directors, we've got all of our paperwork. And as we are building out the facility, which I mean, we just, we just planned out the, the development here, which is very exciting. Thank you for putting up the website, there, you can see some of the existing structures we've got here. And that picture there on the homepage is from our board members retreat from a couple months ago. So we just plot it out, where we're going to put a gym, and a greenhouse. And the the great hall the barracks, building the lodge, is we're probably going to call it the lodge from from battle buddies, which will be a big meeting room with, you know, a kitchen attached as part of that. And 12 Comfortable dorm rooms is our what we're calling them dorm rooms, essentially, in terms of, you know, functionality, but safe rooms that you know, like their thermal mass, mostly soundproof, very comfortable spaces that allow our guests to do whatever they need to do here to get the most out of their their week long retreat experience with home from battle buddies.

Brian  
Adam, it's so great, my friend, thank you so much for joining us today. And obviously, you know, what you guys are doing over at home from battle buddies is so important. And I think right now what we're seeing is people are looking for solutions. And this is why I'm so thankful to do what I'm doing and to have the conversations that we're having right now. Because I think you have far too many people who who've only looked at the only real option being complained. What was me and you're actually giving solutions and showing people that there's a path forward. And you don't have to just sit and complain about how things are, you can build the solutions in the future you want to see. So with that being said, I want to give you a platform here as we wrap up. What would be your direct pitch to the veterans who are listening today? What would you want them to know?

Adam Kokesh  
There's a difference between being a warrior and a soldier. And while we, as veterans are all at some level warriors, who volunteered to put our lives on the line, to defend our fellow Americans, that noble spirit was perverted into being soldiers. Warriors for hire. While a warrior is someone who was willing to put their life on the line to do the right thing. A soldier is someone who kills for politicians, or helps in the larger organizational machinery. To do that. This country still needs its warriors. We don't need any more soldiers. But we need you to be the best warrior as you can be to serve your country to serve humanity. And right now, there are so many of us who have been disempowered by our military experiences. And home from battle buddies, is one way that I hope we can reclaim our own individual spirit as warriors. So that as a community as a warrior class, in America, we can go back into service of our communities, our nation of humanity, and make the world a more righteous place a more peaceful place a more just place. And that has to start from being the change that you want to see. So I hope you'll join us home from battle buddies.org, you can sign up there to volunteer to donate to be a part of our current internship slash residency program to help build the facility and the vision for this organization to do everything that I have laid out, that we know is necessary to make sure that the world learns the lessons, as painful as they may be. That we have learned ourselves through our experience with militarism, and ensure that we are the last generation of combat veterans the world ever knows, and that the warrior class is restored from a place of serving politicians to nobly serving the people. So I hope you'll join me in that again, Homefront battle buddies.org. Brian, thank you for the opportunity. There any veterans who are listening please share Check us out, send me an email, you can email from battle buddies@gmail.com. You can find us on Twitter at Homefront BB. You can find you can donate on the website if anybody wants to contribute. If you want to get involved in any other way, please reach out. We are a new organization. We need all the help we can get right now. And we are looking to grow. We are looking to get more people involved. So again, Brian, thank you for the opportunity to speak to your audience today.

Brian  
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