330: The Day New York City Died -with Jeffrey Tucker

Brian  
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Unknown Speaker  
My pleasure to be here.

Brian  
Right. I'm so glad you're here.

Unknown Speaker  
Well, we're also glad to be alive. I'm survived. We're survivors. I say this to everybody these days. We're survivors.

Brian  
We made it i know i mean fast forward. Let's see we are at night is it 19 months that we are now into this global pandemic? Or I think technically right endemic level, correct me if I'm wrong, am I wrong there?

Unknown Speaker  
Well, I don't know it's a matter of science. Are we endemic? Are we at endemicity? You know, some purposes are some people places or not. So it all depends. I'm not entirely sure but doesn't matter for the policy. It doesn't matter if it's pandemic endemic. We need doctor patient relationships, not states and politicians and bureaucrats bullying us all the time. That is if they knew what they're doing, they don't. Yeah, first it was like, close your business. Oh, now it's like don't go to church. Don't Don't lie your kids in school, put on a mask, walk around fat, not not eating for a long time, don't travel, don't interact with anybody who's not within your realm. actually stay away from people really move out of the city just shut down. Stay at home. Stay safe. That's how your that's how you protect the public. But get your groceries delivered you know by somebody. You know about him. We care nothing because he can get the disease. He can be our sandbag for the for the virus. Well I just enjoy myself at home watching Netflix that's a good break and oh here's wow here's a couple $1,000 from the government you know that's the price

Brian  
I know well and this is the part that people I think we're starting to see people waking up I hope I'm seeing more people starting to ask more questions which we need to start seeing I think at the beginning of the pandemic a lot people overtly avoided asking questions for fear of being told you want grandma to die Don't you? And now it's why you don't want to keep yourself safe from you I think that's the argument they're making now but I

Unknown Speaker  
mean there wasn't right it wasn't we weren't grandmother died no it was that you want your delivery person today the person who's delivering groceries today I mean better him than you right that's why the ruling class thought it's like okay you're on a central worker Groton do your job I on the other hand, because of a certain level of social class and economic advancement or whatever have the luxury and also because of my wonderful laptop which I quite like I will enjoy sitting on my sofa and I will make the great social sacrifice of declining to go to work for for a time maybe it's two weeks maybe it's two months maybe it's two years I don't know but you know, but I'm that good a person I'm just not going to quit to go to work at all so that people can so that society can be better off now that who's delivering the groceries to the grocery store it's like how is it that I can go to the Kroger to the big why whatever and get meats and vegetables and that sort of thing. Is anybody bringing those no no no those are just magically appear just yeah, that's what happens if you get sick Oh those people about like I say just hang out there's some people that hang out to hospitals, you know, but if my house starts on fire, Oh, those people will come anyway you know, that's though they're essential workers. But wait, are they getting getting exposed to the Coronavirus to SARS cubby to me yeah maybe but you know that's that's okay because you know they're the you know, they're them and we're us you know,

Brian  
we saw that was on full display um, what was it two days ago a day ago recording here on the 21st the Emmys you saw the ruling class maskless indoors and the help matched up in stark difference.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, the Met Gala. But that's that's going on all over the country and and actually, God bless working class because we're getting fed up with it, right. So one of the reasons why hospitality industry and restaurants are failing to to attract employees anymore, they can't get them is because of the mass mandates. Now, people would rather work for delivery services because they don't have to mask up in their cars and on their bicycles. So they don't have to feel as if they're supplicants and just agents of the of the government, you know, just obsequious. slaves. So that's why they're going to work for these delivery companies. It's not not just supply and demand. It's also just a matter of personal pride. So no employees do not want to be masked up while they help you know, the health does not want to be mastered while the the customers are unmasked. It's disgusting. We've got a new caste system. And these are what's extraordinary about this. I mean, I just find the whole thing amazing. We've recreated the old system of working class ruling class distinctions. In the name of, I guess you would call it like the left wing ideology. I'm not entirely sure I understand where it comes from. But it's proven to me like we now know where the feudal system came from, we know where the caste system came from, we know where the slave autocracy or the South came from, it's all a matter of like slicing and dicing the population according to who is clean and who is dirty. We know this now right and our entire lives. Right? We've never known that there was this sort of weird impulse within the structure of the social order to to divide people according to clean and dirty, vaccinated unvaccinated worthy of contracting the virus worthy of cleanliness worthy of staying away from it with I don't think I knew that. I mean, I don't I'm fact I'm shredding know that. This turns out to be like a primal impulse. People ultimately default back to their tribal associations, you know, who are my people? And

Brian  
yes, yes, yeah, talks about in America. I'll get a little bit of that go there. There we go. That's better. I'm not sure what happened there. Oh, But no click collectibles in America we talked about this I didn't know is your first time the show Jeffrey and we talked about how by the way oh my goodness 2018 I think it was I actually just did a wrong yeah I did a rear of it back a few weeks back I'll make sure I reshare it so you can check it out because you you focused on specifically how we saw this as you drift more and more into this collectivist mindset inherently starts to split people apart into splitting them from you know who is good versus the bad right and you're

Unknown Speaker  
right yeah, okay not going to so you're talking about the schmidty and worldview so this is you're right about this right so I saw this happening right so and 2016 after 2016 2015 this the politics of division the politics of them and us right so it's like the enemy versus the friend. This is Carl Schmitt from 1936 34 Yeah, his great book great evil book on the topic and he became a you know a major he was a communist that became a Nazi but but actually his his his book is very much worth reading about the friend enemy distinction, but you're right, you and I saw this back in 2015 2016. Right so we began to do this with under under Trump, he right to cite them versus us, you know, the country doesn't matter country's language races. You know, it doesn't matter. And actually crossmen himself said that he's like, who's a friend with the who's the enemy says, doesn't matter as long as what? As long as there is an enemy whoever you define it. Well, here we are now in 2021. And we know the enemy it's it's the unvaccinated right. So well,

Brian  
let's talk about your your latest article, because this goes right into what's happening in taking the the war on the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated and you're applying it to policy, New York City, which was, at one point, the shining beacon on the hill of what it could be to be, you know, a city in America. And now it's a shell of its former self and you just wrote an article over the brown student Institute, the wrecking of New York City accident, or design. So Jeffrey right the premise of this accident or design

Unknown Speaker  
one thing I wanted to draw attention to the fact that it's happening right so how is it happening that one of the world's greatest cities if not the world's greatest city, gets destroyed? Like Yeah, like a third of the storefronts in midtown Manhattan are empty millions of people laughed and they're not returning it's it's anyway, it's catastrophe. New York's just catastrophic situation so is empty, you know, anybody who had the means, you know has already gotten out. It's it's really a tragic situation. The subway as a federal sighs wear a mask, don't talk to anybody. Like this is, you know, New York City. So let's at least acknowledge this. Like, Brian, think about it, like, five years ago, if New York had been emptied out destroyed, you know, a third of businesses half a business, retail businesses fleeing for their lives. But that would that have been news? I would think so. Today, I'm one of the few people actually writing about it. Like, how does this happen? So anyway, I yeah, I wrote this grim article about the situation in New York and I was there right, and I was there and march 12. I think I've talked about this before, but I was I was there. And I had a sense got is meeting a couple of friends, you know, for Broadway tickets and that sort of thing. And jazz concerts. And that night on March 12, was Trump's speech blocking all travel, which he did at the urging of Fauci and Burks and so on. So yeah, I saw the entire place that can scrambling It was very, very strange moment for me personally, to be in New York on March 12, which I will consider that, you know, the last day of New York. I mean, people were leaving, people were panicking. People had a sense of lockdowns were coming they didn't know what to do. They were hunkered down in the bars. They're drinking themselves silly that it was a it was an a puck, truly, I can't even describe it to you. I tried to in my article, but I can't quite describe it as apocalyptic. It's like what people do before the apocalypse, that sort of thing. And that's what it was got a New York that a people running across trees, very heard that. Yeah, there was a new avatar like this who was different. There was a sense of like, something bad's happen. I can tell you that bad something was not the virus. It was the response to the virus. That's what was driving New York crazy at that point. That evening, Trump announced that he, on his own should have been no longer allow flights from Europe or Australia or New Zealand or Yeah, a lot of places in the world. So the world shut down. liberalism ended that day, March 12, March 16 it called for everybody to stay home for schools to shut the churches shut everything to shut down he said two weeks two weeks or two weeks later he said another two weeks and so on wet but now here we are a year and a half later. New York is in shambles absolute shambles Broadway is trying to come back with a vaccine mandate 11 out of 15 restaurants by the way in New York that those that survive and only half survive are not enforcing this absurd back vaccine mandates god bless them you know so there's we've got a kind of despotic anarchy going on right now on one hand the police state is running everything on the other hand nobody gives a shit you know

Brian  
well you you mentioned just how bad it got in New York and your article when in line you said the old signs demand a full face covering staying away from people the new sign demands the people on the subway not speak to each other instead instructive the sign people should just look at their phones detach from society be a big alienated collective and stop with normal life forever and right there that last line stuck with me Stop with normal life forever that seems to be Jeffrey the the end game for a lot of the the lockdown owners the the crowd that I think listen to to your point that the Fauci is the Burke's of the world that we said, okay, we'll do the two weeks, the 15 days to slow the spread, right? What we're at like, what 550 something at this point. So the idea that and now we see a lot of epidemiologist saying, Yeah, I'm not gonna let my kids go outside until we get to zero COVID. And that is impossible. That is literally stopping normal life forever.

Unknown Speaker  
Brian, we have to come to terms with this. I don't know what went wrong with with with with the world that we lost track of how it works, right. But we did at some point we live in with pathogens, there are millions of pathogens, billions of them around us. We have a delicate dance with him, we've learned to have human rights and freedom despite them. There's nothing about public health that can cause him to go away. We have to learn to live with him, we have to acquiesce to endemicity, we have to embrace that as part of the liberal philosophy of life. And I don't know what it was, but something about our survival impulse or the primal instinct, you know, just like kicked in, combined with ignorance. People acquiesce to these ridiculous lock downs and restrictions, which have achieved absolutely nothing. And we knew this from the beginning, I knew it. But these crazy models and separation ism and segregation ism and the new caste system would achieve nothing in terms of public health, and it hasn't. But so so here's what led me to write that article because he hadn't quite gotten to this. Here's what's great about this. So I'm looking at New York. This great achievement of civilization is mighty brilliant city, teeming masses of people in a chaotic coexistence driven by finance and technology and advance love. For the other, the the integrationist mentality just like the city just brilliant and it built over 150 years and we've been in New York you you're an All of what the city has achieved and it's wonderful. And yet now it's been destroyed, the skyscrapers are, are empty. Midtown can't get people to rent a storefront properties, millions of laughs and they're not coming back. Google just bought a new headquarters that Congratulations. Congratulations. Yeah

Brian  
$2.1 billion for a 1200 square foot apartment.

Unknown Speaker  
Right so it's a little creepy, but but I I look at this article that Anthony Fauci wrote in sell the journal called sell I think it was in July 2020. You should look at this article because it's it's it's actually a scary article. I mean, like I in my article today I boiled it down because I just didn't want to quote the whole thing because it just said, turgid prose and a quite tedious but but he argues is three things. Urbanization caused disease spread, international travel caused disease spread and human contact in general causes disease spread, therefore, we need to get rid of cities disperse the population out. And, and, and generally stay away from each other. And, and his prime example of this is cholera, which is just a strange thing to mention like cholera is very bad disease. But what is called are caused by not by international travel and urbanization or you could say yeah, maybe, but hold on a sec. But, but we we solved it, we solved Colorado through clean water. Good sanitation. This is not a problem we can deal with Colorado, not a problem. Fauci seems to think this is still a problem. The only way to deal with it is by Indian cities, and stopping travel. That's very scary. So I'm looking at New York today. New York's been destroyed. on travel, it's come to an end, we can't travel internationally. So was this accidental? Or was it intentional?

Brian  
Well, you have another line, I want to read. The primitive. The primitive communist a communist view of human life has always detested the city. Think back to Mao's campaign to disperse the population into rural areas and depopulate urban centers. And think about how China Daily controls people through technology and propaganda designed to crush individualism. There is that impulse at work among those who created lockdowns and continue their plans for mandates and restrictions. One of the goals and is the best part I love this line. One of the goals of creating chaos is to make it impossible to notice details. I mean, that's that's exactly what's happening. Because as the important details come out, what's happening Jeffrey, people are too worried about oh my god, am I killing somebody? Am I gonna die in the chaos of the world? What's gonna happen within the restriction what mandates coming up next, that they're not looking at the details, and then the details come out, and it's a big slap in the face? Their entire worldview has been completely shaped by a fake reality, and it is technology and propaganda.

Unknown Speaker  
Does my nine year old have to wear a mask to school? Do I have to wear a mask in the CBS? Why is Karen denouncing me a too big way today? for walking around the vegetable section without a mask? Can I get to Costa Rica? Can my cousin who lives in Paris even come visit me without vaccine? If she has a vaccine? Is that the right vaccine? Maybe it's the Russian or Chinese version of the vaccine, which is not acknowledged by America. So can you get it? Okay, so these are things we're thinking about, wait, should I get a second job of the j&j every day, this new headline. Meanwhile, the world's greatest city is being demolished and destroyed. And we're paying almost no attention to it whatsoever. So this is what chaos has done. It's it's distracted us from the important subjects that although I'm sympathetic, like every subject is important these days, like our the loss of liberty, really, it was just incredible. We lived in a full bathtub. And the one day somebody pulled the plug that day was March 12. Actually, I would say March 8, but over the course of second two weeks of March, everything fell apart, the world civilization fell, but we need to put it back together again. Now the points on the cities, I didn't go and go into my article, but we need to understand is extremely important. So like after the fall of Rome, I'm going to give a Victorian version of history here. But after the fall of Rome, you know, the vandals and barbarians took over the world, blah, blah, blah. People have very short lives is very brutal, very scary, grabs that we cobbled together feudalism, to provide people safety. It wasn't a money economy was more like I live on your land, I'll give a worker land and you're gonna give me a small pot and I'll feed my family and I'll die fairly young. Once we developed money and civilization and the early stages of capitalism, people got money in their hands, and now they had it. They were in a position to travel and move somewhere. So the cities of Europe developed out of that the impulse to leave the primitive world of rural life from feudalism in order to embrace something new and what was that new thing. The new was new thing was communication. contact with other people, choice, money, it's in your hands. Now you can live a long life. And we figured out the relationship between public health and safety and freedom. We realized they were all the same thing and we can do this together. So the great city of Europe all emerged due after the end of the lack last black path, you know, Australia in the middle of 16th century and so on then. And then the travel began, right? boats, technology, this discovered the new world. And it's like 500 years of progress 500 years. And they all culminated in the greatness of our great cities, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, New York. And then, in addition to Paris, and London, and so on. This is how we learn to live, human contact, trade, travel, communication, learning from each other, close this exposure to pathogens, right, upgraded our immune systems, we got better, we got healthier. And that's been going on for centuries, until suddenly a bunch of fanatics took over the world now 19 months ago, and told us No, that's not the answer. It's not to not the cities, it's not exposure. It's not communications, contact is not touching is not. Diversity is not heterogeneity. Go back to your tribes move to the rural areas, move to the suburbs. Stay home, stay safe. This is a different worldview. There's modernity and civilization on one hand, and freedom and there's primitivism. Stay on stay safe. I would say like, you know, the worship of the of the rule and the absence of human contact, social distancing.

Unknown Speaker  
That's the other worldview, social distancing is not just a little instruction they gave you last year. It's a worldview. It's an ideology, and it's terrifying. And if we pursue it far enough, we will destroy everything we love. All the achievements of human civilization will be in the past. And we'll be living forever off the achievements of, of what we've done over the last 20 years will be the new Cuba, right? So remember the Cuba when the communists took over Cuba, everything froze. That's us today. We're freezing, freezing and place, how much art if we lost how much technology how much knowledge? Brian, this cannot last. But like we need to fight, we need to fight like if you'd never fought before, for freedom. and human rights like now is the time this is not a parlor game. We're not pretending anymore. We're not just going to conferences and arguing with people about small points of libertarian philosophy. That's not the issue anymore. We're fighting for the fundamentals of what it means to live a civilized, safe, peaceful and prosperous life. That's everything stake is not about the right. It's not about the left, I don't care who my allies are in the struggle. If you're for openness, and you're for freedom, I'm for you. There's no more time for factions and differences and tribes. This is it. This is the great crisis of civilization that began March 2020. It continues today. Not only that, but I believe we can win it, I believe that I do not believe that there's forces more powerful than people that are ruling the world. We need to figure out the path by which we can become the operating authors have our own history, they need to figure this out. I'm not here to give the advice of exactly what this is. It's just that everyone in his or her own life is faced with an opportunity to do something right now. And if all of us do something, we can change the trajectory and we have to add our own interest and the interest of our children. Even if you don't have to in the interest of this state of the world. What they're driving this back to is terrifying. We must reject that view.

Brian  
We have to add it back together again. can't agree more Jeffrey Tucker, as always a pleasure you can go to brownstone.org and read all the amazing work that Jeffrey is doing or if you want go ahead just find more about Jeffrey click the awesome artwork here in the show notes. It'll bring you right over to Brian Nichols Show calm where you can check out not only today's episode with all of our awesome show notes, including Jeffrey's social media tags, but also entire transcript of today's episode. So that being said Jeffrey Tucker, as always a blast. Thank you. Joining us in today's episode of The Brian Nichols Show. Pleasure,

Unknown Speaker  
have you back please?

Brian  
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